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Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:00 pm to TDTOM
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Welcome to page 4.
The LIV threads are so miserable with the same few people bitching about the same stuff it's kind of a chore to read through the threads.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:07 pm to RedHawk
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How many players did the PGA Tour lose before an entity with endless money came around to offer way more than market value?
What
Where was I saying that was the case? You're trying to brag about the PGA tours format and knock LIVs yet the tour just changed numerous events to be more like LIVs. The PGA Tour is a better product but to make some "all the PGA Tour needs to hold serve with what they are doing and they'll stay on top" type of argument is just dumb and even the PGA Tour realizes that. 
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:09 pm to classicgold
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So are we just ignoring the fact that Brooks won a major last year, and he and Mickelson finished T2 at the masters? Cam Smith was T4 at the US Open. Dechambeau was T4 at the PGA.
These are world class golfers leaving. If the PGA doesn’t wake up they will turn into the Korn Ferry tour plus Rory.
So, you're going to watch 6-8 guys that have the only chance of winning each tournament? Sounds like a blast. At least on the Korn Ferry there's a lot more guys competing. LIV is the Upward version of professional golf. What's the incentive to compete?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:22 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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What Where was I saying that was the case? You're trying to brag about the PGA tours format and knock LIVs yet the tour just changed numerous events to be more like LIVs. The PGA Tour is a better product but to make some "all the PGA Tour needs to hold serve with what they are doing and they'll stay on top" type of argument is just dumb and even the PGA Tour realizes that.
LIV wouldn't be a threat to the PGA if LIV had to worry about ROI.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:35 pm to RedHawk
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LIV wouldn't be a threat to the PGA if LIV had to worry about ROI.
No shite
That doesn't mean that the PGA Tour can't look and see some of the things they are doing are worth copying. Which is what they've done. If they wanted to make their players happier they'd copy a few more things like letting them wear shorts. Although hopefully they would never let music blast at the tournaments. That is by far the worst part of the LIV broadcast. I'm fine if my buddy wants to listen to music while we play, but it definitely takes away from the drama when you're watching it on TV and Lady Gaga is playing in the background.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:06 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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If they wanted to make their players happier they'd copy a few more things like letting them wear shorts.
I don't think players are walking away from 9 figure payments to wear shorts
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:13 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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yet the tour just changed numerous events to be more like LIVs.
Did they, though? They upped the purses of certain events to figures they can't even afford. The signature events aren't that much different than what the WGC had been. Smaller fields with bigger purses. The fields were still double the size of LIV tournaments, still were 72 holes, and had no team aspect. The only things "more like LIV" were bigger purses and 5 of the 7 wouldn't have cuts. Having no cut is not something unique to LIV either. There are also metrics to qualify for signature events, which is nothing like LIV. Was it responsive to LIV? Sure. They ignorantly tried to throw money at the issue created by LIV.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:14 pm to lsufball19
I know that, did you read that and honestly think that was the point I was trying to make? Doesn't change the fact that lots of players would prefer to wear shorts and it's extremely dumb that they're not allowed to. I'm talking about just simply doing things that help keep your employees happy. Something the PGA Tour isn't super great at.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:17 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Seeing what they have done now, I don't think there's anything the PGA Tour could have realistically done to keep what's happened from happening. I have serious doubts that PIF would have been satisfied with a seat at the table and the rights to some exclusive events had the Tour listened to them a few years ago. What was to stop them from having the Tour give them credibility with sponsors and the networks only to start their new Tour regardless and lure guys away with their endless pit of money?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 3:41 pm to JScoop8
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The leaders at the beginning of the round aren't always going to be the leaders at the end of it, so they will not always finish on 18. But I just find it hard to follow the round and knowing where everyone is. I know it says "2 holes left" at the top, but that isn't always true for everyone on the course. Some might have 3 holes left, some might have 1. It's just not for me. I prefer seeing everyone go through the holes before the leaders and watching them field narrow down to solely focus on those leading at the end instead of still jumping around and showing other shots that really just don't matter.
I’m not saying I don’t enjoy this and it’s 100% the way the majors should be played.
However, for TV viewing it accomplishes the goal of getting more golf on TV - which most people complain we do not get with the current PGA Tour.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:08 pm to theone
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I’m not saying I don’t enjoy this and it’s 100% the way the majors should be played.
However, for TV viewing it accomplishes the goal of getting more golf on TV - which most people complain we do not get with the current PGA Tour.
I get the seeing more golf shots on the coverage angle, but we've seen LIV already show somewhat less golf than they did at the start. The last LIV event I watched they had some production stuff going on while golf was being played. If/when they get more sponsors, the commercials will also come rolling in IMO. Regardless, I still prefer the PGA format and don't think they show that much more golf to offset how much I dislike the shotgun format. I also have no problem with golf coverage lasting more than 5ish hours which I know is a complaint from some.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:16 pm to lsufball19
quote:Are you saying middle easterners wouldn’t honor an agreement?
have serious doubts that PIF would have been satisfied with a seat at the table and the rights to some exclusive events had the Tour listened to them a few years ago. What was to stop them from having the Tour give them credibility with sponsors and the networks only to start their new Tour regardless and lure guys away with their endless pit of money?
This board has always preached the ethical standards of those in such places
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:23 pm to lsupride87
Any word from the Hatton camp? Is he gonna take the money, and then say it is about "growing the game"?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:30 pm to TDTOM
I think Hatton might have enough self respect like HV3 to just say it’s all about the money
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:46 pm to theone
I don’t love the shotgun format because you can’t see the relativism of how they are playing compared to everyone else and unless you know the course well it’s hard to know what to expect. A nice advantage of standard format is being able to learn the nuances of the final few holes and watch them all come in in sequence. I wonder if you could do a modified approach where the last 3 or 4 groups skip holes 16-18 until the end..so guys starting in hole 2 would play 2-15, 1, then 16-18. It would suck to follow them in person but make for much better tv.
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:51 pm to Big L
What is the whole point of the shotgun start format? Is it just to be something different?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 4:59 pm to TDTOM
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What is the whole point of the shotgun start format?
So they all play in the same weather conditions. At least that’s what I remember hearing from somewhere.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 5:03 pm to Tyga Woods
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So they all play in the same weather conditions.
I thought it was they wanted an entire round to last 5 hours for the entire field and to increase pace of play for the viewing experience. I don’t recall weather having anything to do with it. Regardless, shotgun starts are only feasible with tiny fields. Can’t exactly make that a reality with a normal sized tournament field
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