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Driver spin question

Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1682 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:43 pm
I currently have a Ping G430 with a HZRDS RDX Red shaft. All my numbers look good except for spin. I'm getting 3500-3800 rpm average spin. I think that's costing me some distance. Any recommendations on shafts to fix this?
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1144 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:51 pm to
Shafts don't have a huge effect on spin but a low launch/low spin shaft would lower it the most. Since you're in a ping, Ping tour 65 black is supposed to be solid. Also Hzrdus black, Tensei white, Ventus Black

Lowering the loft will have a bigger effect on spin most likely. This will also open up the face which could promote a fade.

If you're open to changing clubheads, a lower spinning head will help. G430 max is not a low spin head
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1682 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 12:53 pm to
Are the spin numbers I am getting considered too high?
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1144 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:40 pm to
Yeah. 2000-2500ish is ideal IMO for most. If you have extremely low launch then a little more than 2500 is fine. 3500 is losing a significant amount of distance
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1682 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 1:59 pm to
It is a 10.5° degree driver, but I can adjust down to 9°. May need to try that.
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1682 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:02 pm to
Sounds like you are saying loft will lower spin at a much higher rate than a shaft change would. Is that correct?
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1144 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 2:10 pm to
Yes. Launch angle and spin are directly correlated. The shaft can affect the launch angle which then affects the spin. However, lowering the loft affects the launch angle more and therefore spin more.

To affect spin without changing launch, either the swing or the clubhead has to change
This post was edited on 6/16/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted by DarkDrifter
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2011
4071 posts
Posted on 6/16/24 at 9:17 pm to
I have the same driver and it's a 9° head.. I had to turn my down to 8° to get it to stop over spinning
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
4852 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:59 am to
quote:

Yes. Launch angle and spin are directly correlated. The shaft can affect the launch angle which then affects the spin. However, lowering the loft affects the launch angle more and therefore spin more.



Shaft also affects how you deliver the club to the ball. The wrong flex profile may result in face opening or your angle of attack.
Posted by GeauxTigers777
Member since Oct 2007
1587 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:21 am to
Shaft can have a huge impact on spin. On the same sim with same driver shaft and same ball, my same hits can vary by 1500 spin depending on shaft (even with the same flex). If you are under flexed, that can add a load of spin. With a reg shaft, my spin numbers would hit 4500. With a Venus black 8x tipped, they were 1500. Obviously neither of those are good.
Posted by NewOrleansBlend
Member since Mar 2008
1144 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:58 am to
The dynamic loft and therefore launch angle also significantly changed which then drove the spin change. The COG of the club will always try to catch the hands. A softer tipped shaft will allow it to do so which increases the effective (dynamic) loft of the club. A stiffer tipped shaft will resist it
Posted by GeauxTigers777
Member since Oct 2007
1587 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:06 pm to
But I guess what I’m saying is that is still the shaft changing the spin numbers even if indirectly. Turning the loft down solely on the club can bring in other factors. Obviously knowing launch angle would help a lot with that.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20082 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

Are the spin numbers I am getting considered too high?


It depends on how you play.. Higher spin on drivers is desirable for folks that feel they have enough distance and their priority is being able to be very accurate where they put the ball in the fairway. more spin typically means less rollout which means if your ball lands in the fairway it will stay in the fairway more often. It effectively makes fairways wider.

for those of us who need every yard of distance, yeah, you probably want to get down to 1800-2000.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 12:16 pm
Posted by RoosterCogburn585
Member since Aug 2011
1682 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:55 pm to
So here are the average numbers I was getting on my last session of driver shots.

Ball Speed:133 mph
Angle of Attack:-5.4 degrees
Launch Angle: 10.6 degrees
Average Spin: 3482 rpm
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 12:56 pm
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20082 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:21 pm to
what are you hoping to gain with a change? Forget about your spin numbers.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
55649 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:30 pm to
Distance...he said that in his first post
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18462 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:34 pm to
quote:

Angle of Attack:-5.4 degrees


at 133mph ball speed, you probably really need to change your setup so that the club is moving into the ball at least at 3 degrees up.

A good pro could watch you swing a few times and get your adjustments dialed in. One good session. Could get that -5 to +3.

Ball may need to be teed higher and further forward. Ultimately we are blind to this. A local pro could be the best money you can spend this summer for optimizing your driver swing.
Posted by bopper50
Sugarland Texas
Member since Mar 2009
9809 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:19 pm to
Sometimes us golfers are way too hung up on spin.

The G430 spins only 200 rpms less than the G425. The G430 LST only spins 500-600 rpms less than the G430, but you give up 20cc's of MOI forgiveness.

The Hzrdus Red says it's mid spin, but it's on the upper scale.

I have always been more interested in my smash factor.


Places like Club Champion makes a ton of money selling guys on spin numbers that don't translate to the course.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 3:22 pm
Posted by SingleMalt1973
Member since Feb 2022
19298 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

Angle of Attack:-5.4 degrees


You should be hitting up at about 2 degrees, this downward angle of attack is what is causing the spin. Move the ball just inside left foot tilt your spin away from the ball and stay back to swing up.

That should get your numbers closer to 12-13 degrees of launch and 2500 spin.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 3:33 pm
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
37691 posts
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:41 pm to
What ball are you using? Have you tried others and gotten the same result?
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