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1609tiger
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Best ideas to stop coming over the top
I’ve worked on a more outside take away and it’s helped but I’m consistently pulling short irons.


Tyga Woods
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
Gotta figure out why you’re doing it. Could literally be a dozen reasons. Over the top is a result of something happening earlier in your swing.

One drill that might help.
Take your address position with your butt about a foot from a wall. Swing to the top. Slowly start your downswing and keep the club in contact with the wall for the first foot or so of the downswing.

YouTube Wall Drill
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
Tee off all the way to the right where the tee marker is just above your ball


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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
I’ll sometimes setup water bottles on the range the look something like this:



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TigernMS12
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
I started trying into hit the inside of the ball and go oppo (I played baseball my whole life). My problem was I was always swinging as if I was trying to pull a baseball because I was slicing it. It’s counter intuitive though. The more I tried to pull the ball the more outside in my swing was and the slice got worse and worse.

Also, make sure you get a good shoulder turn so you can have an inside out club path. If you just take your arms back and basically get into a baseball stance at the top with the shoulders square you have no path to get the club head where it should be throughout the down swing.
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The Johnny Lawrence
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
If I'm understanding your terminology, an outside takeaway is what is causing you to come over the top.


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GWfool
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
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I’ve worked on a more outside take away and it’s helped but I’m consistently pulling short irons.


Have you checked your club face instead of path? Perhaps you’re closing the face at impact with your hands with the short irons.


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Mingo Was His NameO
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
If you rotate your hips really hard its almost impossible to come over the top

*** if you start with your hips and not shoulders
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
Emphasize shoulder turn.


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Riseupfromtherubble
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
I had this problem big time. Focused on two things in the swing and have all but eliminated it without drills.

Get a full turn in the backswing (back leg straight, turn back and up- don't shift) and start the downswing from the ground up. Shift that weight onto the front foot and start your turn back to the target with your feet, then knees, then hips, then shoulders, then arms, then hands. Obviously you can't think about all of that happening chronologically, but starting with your legs will set the others in motion.

I was hanging back on my back foot. I was coming over the top to compensate for that. You will do this subconsciously to make ball contact.

If you're having this problem with your irons, check ball position. If the ball is too far back in your stance then you will have a steep angle of attack. Instead of moving the ball back with shorter clubs, keep the position the same and move your feet closer together. I play nearly every full shot just off the inside of my front heel and adjust the width of my stance based on the club.

I'm new to the sport but this is a fresh problem for me that I've mostly eliminated.

Another good swing thought is to drop your right arm at the top of your backswing. Don't change the angle between your forearm and bicep, just lower the arm when you get to the top. Lowering towards your ribcage will drop the club into the slot. Haven't seen a PGA player yet that doesn't have this subtle movement.
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DestrehanTiger
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
I have the same issue and had a lesson last week where the coach gave me a drill. He put one of those swing bags a couple of feet behind the ball. He told me take my club back around the outside of the bag and my swing should head towards the ball on the inside of the bag. It felt weird at first because the sensation was that my backswing was very far from my body, but the drill worked. I was hitting all draws. One more note, the drill is for a short swing so you can focus on where the club head is traveling.

I realized this might not translate well without a picture. On the backswing, the bag should be between you and the club head. On the down swing, the club head should be between you and the bag.
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Billy Mays
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CBandits82
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
problem with Saguto is that it promotes a super flat backswing with the hands way back, I used to watch Tom and incorporated some of his methods but after actually taking a real lesson I saw that I was super stuck with his backswing and couldn't slot the club properly coming down.


CBandits82
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
that chop method he hates actually has me hitting the ball better than ever, this is just for me though, he might work with some others.


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Billy Mays
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
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problem with Saguto is that it promotes a super flat backswing with the hands way back, I used to watch Tom and incorporated some of his methods but after actually taking a real lesson I saw that I was super stuck with his backswing and couldn't slot the club properly coming down.


Yeah I can see that. Saguto himself seems a bit short and flexible so that sort of compact rotational swing works best for him. I'm like 6 ft 2 and have longer arms, so the downswing does get a bit out of whack for me as well.

His methods can definitely can ppl coming in too steep tho.
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CBandits82
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
that dude is kind of hilarious though.

that move he loves with pointing your chin down, lowering during the backswing is great for keeping shoulders tilted.


Billy Mays
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
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that move he loves with pointing your chin down, lowering during the backswing is great for keeping shoulders tilted.


Agreed - I've tried it out and it really does help promote that bigger turn. Saguto seems like a great place to start for a mid-high capper or someone just starting out (if they havent had a proper lesson, of course). He does a great job of keeping it simple.


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3oliv3
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
i like to tuck a towel between my left tit and left bicep and keep it there throughout the swing. reminds me to drive my left arm straight downwards to start the downswing, not throwing it out laterally forward.


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makersmark1
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
Slow is smooth.
Smooth is fast.

Speed in the swing only counts at the bottom.
Be patient and let the club shallow.

I actually loop the club sort of like Furyk.

LINK


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Lou
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re: Best ideas to stop coming over the top
It could be lack of spine tilt. If you are vertical (1) it can cause a pull. Your spine should be tilted slightly back (2).



Tip 1 - take your stance, then hold the butt of your club on the button of your shirt. The head of the club hanging freely should be behind your belt buckle, not directly on top of it.

Tip 2 - take your stance standing straight up, then tilt your spine as if you were trying to look at the back of the ball, not directly on top of it.

The entire video below is very informative, but you can skip to 5:15 for the specific swing drills.

LINK



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