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Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:58 am
Posted by BRsundog
BR
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:58 am
It’s so bad. Webb is a joke. The greens are horrible. LSU level. I get they are punching but punching what? sand?
Santa Maria has a ten cart line on Saturday mornings.
I’m annoyed these are golf options.
Jelly of y’all with good courses in your towns.
Posted by TyOconner
NOLA
Member since Nov 2009
11080 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:38 pm to
100%

Public courses in BR are an absolute travesty. Private ones aren’t bad but there really aren’t many of those either. Even within driving distance it’s mostly mediocre. Shame really but I guess we don’t have the golf community to support much.
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
3949 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:53 pm to
Louisiana golf in general just sucks

It is what it is
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 1:54 pm to
Louisiana is the worst golf state in the Union.
Posted by CaliTigerHB
Huntington Beach
Member since Jul 2015
1696 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:04 pm to
That’s why I moved to Southern California(not the only reason). There is probably 200 courses within a two drive of where I am and the worst one is 10x better than Webb.

I played beaver creek a few weeks ago. That’s a nice course
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10420 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 2:09 pm to
North LA golf is actually legit. Bayou Desiard, Squire, Calvert, Black Bear and even though Mystic is in Arkansas we will claim it since we are basically Arkansas anyway.
Posted by AustinTigerBait
Austin, Texas
Member since Sep 2007
45 posts
Posted on 7/23/23 at 3:34 pm to
Southern Trace in Shreveport went thru a remodel last year and Jim Lipe did a masterful architectural job by removing the gum drop swales and is now a very graceful and beautiful course. Probably now the best in Louisiana.
Posted by tigerbait17
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2014
974 posts
Posted on 7/25/23 at 11:11 am to
Unfortunately it is what it is. JS Clark is actually still in good shape since it opened back up. Only a matter of time before it gets overplayed. Baton Rouge needs at least one more good course to take some pressure away from Santa Maria and Webb. If LSU course was in good shape that would help out a lot.
Posted by 904
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Member since Dec 2009
791 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:56 am to
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It’s so bad.


Hot take, I actually think BR area golf is underrated.

Just played at an average course in Denver a few weeks ago and paid $80+ on a Thursday to get thrown into a packed tee sheet and 5 hour round. Don't get me started on Scottsdale, or anywhere where you can't play half the year because of winter for that matter.

You get what you pay for and $$ goes a long way down here. Webb and Clark are exceptionally cheap, and Santa Maria, the Island, Beaver Creek, etc. are all a great value for $50-$60 on the weekends and usually in good/great shape.

BR golf may not have a variety top-tier style courses to choose from, but you can play year-round at some solid mid-tier courses for much cheaper than most other cities around the country.



This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 10:59 am
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 10:58 am to
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Just played at an average course in Denver a few weeks ago and paid $80+ on a Thursday to get thrown into a packed tee sheet and 5 hour round.


right, but did you actually have greens you could putt on?

Yea, I pay $30 at Webb, but the golf stops once my ball is on the putting surface.
Posted by 904
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:05 am to
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Yea, I pay $30 at Webb, but the golf stops once my ball is on the putting surface.


If you think Webb is representative of all Baton Rouge golf, then there's your problem. (Also, the most expensive tee time at Webb right now with a cart is $23 on the weekends.) If I'm paying under $30 on a Saturday for a full round with a cart, I'm just happy if there's grass on the property.

Just played The Island on Saturday and the greens were perfect despite punching 2 weeks ago. Clark is also in fantastic shape and a steal right now, but it sounds like the word has gotten out.


This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 11:08 am
Posted by 904
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:10 am to
fwiw, I'd be all for paying more at places like Webb and City Park if it meant that they'd make course improvements, better maintenance, and probably green renovations as well.
Posted by Bawpaw
Member since May 2021
919 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:23 am to
The point is they hsve the money and equipment to do it but for some reason don’t. Also they obviously don’t have competent greenskeepers/supers to provide the maintenance and upkeep year round.
I don’t think anyone would mind paying more per round at City, Clark, or Webb if they were in playable shape.
Posted by 904
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 11:50 am to
I'm not sure what Webb's budget/finances look like. I just know what I'm paying at the counter and it's not far off from what you should expect for $23 with a cart.

Webb's biggest problem is that they have old, small greens that also get a lot of traffic. Compound that with the apathetic golfers out there who don't fix ball marks and are generally abusive to the course and you get what you have now. They need to just bite-the-bullet and completely renovate all the greens from the ground up with larger putting surfaces to handle the traffic.

Either way, this feels more like a Webb sucks thread than a Baton Rouge Golf sucks thread.
Posted by Bawpaw
Member since May 2021
919 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:18 pm to
Webb and City greens both need to be blown up and redone much larger. Webb also lacks alot of general maintenance (laziness) piles of sticks at base of trees, not trimming the left side of # 6&7, not roping off areas close to greens or tee boxes, changing hole locations, changing tee markers, applying herbicides/fertilizers at correct times, aerating, top dressing greens, etc. But I’ll be damned if there ain’t always 1-2 people behind the counter with terrible customer service, 2-3 guys hanging out at starters shack doing God knows what, 2-3 people hanging around the cart barn. Same can be said about SM now that I think about it.
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:29 pm to
quote:

fwiw, I'd be all for paying more at places like Webb and City Park if it meant that they'd make course improvements, better maintenance, and probably green renovations as well.



That was my point.

You said Baton Rouge golf is underrated for the prices, but you are paying $30 to basically hit shots to a green. There is no putting, almost every green is wrecked. I would rather pay the $80 and actually play golf.
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:31 pm to
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Either way, this feels more like a Webb sucks thread than a Baton Rouge Golf sucks thread.



Webb is the perfect microcosm of whats wrong with BR golf, its a great example.

Its in the Garden District on a great piece of property and it is currently shite. Its potential is off the charts.

But I dont know, it gets a ton of rounds so maybe BREC is just like "screw it" they are gonna play no matter what.

What BR did with Clark tho is outstanding.
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
54078 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:32 pm to
quote:

The point is they hsve the money and equipment to do it but for some reason don’t. Also they obviously don’t have competent greenskeepers/supers to provide the maintenance and upkeep year round.
I don’t think anyone would mind paying more per round at City, Clark, or Webb if they were in playable shape.




exactly this.
Posted by leblanc272
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
175 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 12:44 pm to
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Also they obviously don’t have competent greenskeepers/supers to provide the maintenance and upkeep year round.


SO another competent golfer that thinks he knows everything. as a Superintendent for 24 years, I love you guys. BREC has Qualified Superintendents, but there is only so much you can do with what you are given to work with. Santa Maria for example has a very old irrigation system that is always leaking and breaking. they can't even run the rough without blowing pipe out of the ground. so when you are in a hole everyday fixing leaks and breaks, something else isn't getting done.
Let me ask, do you think we just mow grass? are uneducated? lazy? I'll tell you this, most of use are highly educated with at least a Bachelors degree. We work long hours, have to understand and perform electrical, plumbing, mechanic, hydraulics, agronomy, horticulture, run heavy equipment, business management, finance, weather man, HR, and I can keep going.
Just because a course is in poor shape, doesn't mean the Superintendent is incompetent. their are so many variables to this. Staffing, budget, capital improvement or lack of, equipment age and condition, weather.

I'm not going to hide either. My name is Brent LeBlanc and I can be found at the Golden Nugget Lake Charles if you have questions or want to understand more. My resume includes Koasati Pines, TPC Louisiana, the Bridges, The Broadwater, and the National GC of Louisiana.
Posted by BRsundog
BR
Member since Feb 2020
251 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 1:52 pm to
My last response from BREC’s director of golf:
Here’s an update on the putting greens at Webb GC.

The putting greens at Webb golf course are overseeded with rye grass during the winter months when the underlying Bermuda grass goes dormant. This year the transition from the rye grass back to the Bermuda grass has been rougher than recent years. The situation was made worse by invasive goosegrass that has slowly infiltrated the greens over the last couple of years. This goosegrass has become resistant to herbicides that used to kill it. Other golf courses in south Louisiana are also battling this goosegrass problem, this isn’t unique to Webb.

The Webb GC putting greens were aerified on 7/10. After the aerification we did some herbicide applications that appear to have been successful in eradicating most of the goosegrass. Unfortunately, killing the goosegrass left some considerable bare areas on a few greens. The greens on holes 8, 10, 14, and 16 are the most affected. Most of the greens still have good, but not complete, Bermuda grass coverage.

In the next few weeks, we will use a strong dose of nutrients along with verti-cutting and solid tine aerification to promote aggressive Bermuda grass growth in the hopes of filling in bare areas. Although hard to see, there is some grass alive in some of the areas that appear bare.

Hopefully we’ll see some strong improvement in the next couple of weeks. Depending on the speed of the improvement we may need to sod areas on a couple of greens. What happens in the next couple of weeks will determine if that’s needed.
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