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Posted on 4/23/22 at 8:31 am to
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86696 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 8:31 am to
If you do it right, there’s nothing to heal. When you see those brown spots from a ball mark, it’s because an idiot tried to use their divot tool to lift/raise the ground which tears the roots. You should be folding/pushing the grass from the high side of the mark to the center:

Posted by Mstate
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2009
10126 posts
Posted on 4/23/22 at 2:52 pm to
I fix several ball marks on every green. It’s aggravating to play a nice course with bent grass greens and the damn thing looks like the surface of the moon.

Ross Bridge here in bham is notorious for that probably bc it’s a resort course with a lot of out of town play. Don’t see it as often on private courses
Posted by damnstrongfan
St. George, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2009
2275 posts
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:16 pm to
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Why are there so many different variations of ‘sand’? Seems every course has a different texture, color, thickness.


That fluffy garbage at Santa Maria is the worst I've ever seen.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 9:48 pm
Posted by leblanc272
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
198 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:28 am to
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That fluffy garbage at Santa Maria is the worst I've ever seen.


once again, its a HAZARD! it is meant to penalize you for hitting into a bunker.
Posted by BallChamp00
Member since May 2015
6968 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 7:16 am to
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That fluffy garbage at Santa Maria is the worst I've ever seen.


Fluffy - open wedge up more
Firm - square wedge more
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6450 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 9:18 am to
A local course shut down several years ago. Grass is all overgrown and seems like it would require a complete restart. Played it a week or two before it shut down for the first time and asked the "pro" how the course was and he said "it's a solid 3 start course" and he was being a bit tongue in cheek. When I got out there I was thinking "that guy was being generous with those stars".

Haven't validate this, but a buddy that lives on that course said that in Texas, there is a law stating that if a golf course closes down, the land cannot be used for anything for 10 years other than a golf course.

Question is, what would it take to convert the course back to playable condition? Not talking about anything other than the grass itself. I know clubhouse, cart path, golf carts and other facilities add variable that would make it a wild swing.
Posted by TigerVizz87
Member since Dec 2021
164 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 4:18 pm to
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Leesville


Care to post the business name? They are right up the road from my and will need to dress the yard this year.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33879 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 4:51 pm to
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That fluffy garbage at Santa Maria is the worst I've ever seen.


I wish the sand at my home course was “fluffy”
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15126 posts
Posted on 4/26/22 at 6:07 pm to
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So you punch in peak season and charge peak rates? Makes sense to make the course less playable and more expensive


If it makes you feel any better, I’ve already aerified 4 times this year and people pay 75k as an initiation fee, before any monthly dues.

Suck it up, buttercup.
Posted by leblanc272
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
198 posts
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:35 pm to
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Care to post the business name? They are right up the road from my and will need to dress the yard this year.



I am not sure who owns the pit, I buy from TECHE TURF
Posted by leblanc272
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
198 posts
Posted on 4/27/22 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Question is, what would it take to convert the course back to playable condition? Not talking about anything other than the grass itself. I know clubhouse, cart path, golf carts and other facilities add variable that would make it a wild swing.


I don't have an answer to this. So many variables. MOst inportant is irrigation. you can't do anything without that. then comes to how long the course has been closed and what the weed pressure is. lastly it comes to how much money the owner wants to spend and having someone competant to do the work
Posted by farad
Member since Dec 2013
11469 posts
Posted on 4/30/22 at 7:31 pm to
check out the Island thread...posted some pictures of the greens today...

LINK
This post was edited on 4/30/22 at 7:32 pm
Posted by damnstrongfan
St. George, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2009
2275 posts
Posted on 5/1/22 at 10:13 am to
You can't stand in that crap without sinking up to you ankles. So why are the traps on tour courses usually firm, course sand that barely leave footprints when you walk in it. That stuff is much easier to hit out of. Not much of a hazard for tour players.
Posted by tigermaniac
On the right side of the Red River
Member since Jun 2007
97 posts
Posted on 5/1/22 at 1:08 pm to
I will speak for myself here, not to necessarily put words in leblanc’s mouth, but I’m sure he would agree to some degree, but next to greens maintenance, bunker maintenance is probably the second most money/labor consuming area on the golf course. Between the raking, adding of sand, packing of sand, edging, trimming the slopes, maintaining moisture content, drainage work, pushing up sand after heavy rains, etc, it can be very heavy on manual/hand labor. Bunker construction is WAY better than it used to be, but unless a maintenance crew is able to keep them up like they’re supposed to be, it can become a maintenance nightmare. I know because I’ve been there with labor/budget shortages.

As for types of sand…a lot of that may depend on the architects specs and how much a course is willing to spend on sand. It also depends on if the grains of sand are more angular, witch tend to “pack” better or more round, which doesn’t. I mean, it is sand, so it’s not really ever going to completely pack, especially if it is dry. Also, it could depend on the levels of fine, medium and coarse grains of sand which are in the mix. And there’s always contamination from silting from bunkers being washed out by rainfall or other sources.

By definition, sand is a classification of soil type between silt (0.002-0.075 mm) and gravel (4.75-75 mm) with particle sizes with varying sizes in the fine, medium and coarse ranges. A lot of the sand, if it’s silica sand, is bleached to have that white appearance. There’s also crushed quartz that’s used as bunker sand and can be quite a good surface to hit out of. “Sand” can be of many different colors depending on where it’s from, where it’s mined from, or what it’s made of, as long as it meets those particle size specs.

I do know, having worked several of the PGA tour junior tour events, that we would hand water bunkers, specifically, during the evening’s maintenance after that days rounds were finished. It made them perfect for raking the next day and it helped with the “firmness” that you may see the PGA players play out of. However, it all depends on who the PGA director is for that particular tournament and what they’re trying to accomplish as far as course setup. A U.S. Open event may want to bunkers to dry out and be “fluffy” as to be more difficult to hit out of.

Bunkers can add some beauty and depth and visual appeal to a golf course, but if a budget doesn’t allow for proper maintenance, they can be an absolute nightmare for both the crew and players.
Posted by CFDoc
Member since Jan 2013
2188 posts
Posted on 5/1/22 at 3:01 pm to
My CC in Mississippi just finished a complete rework of the bunkers. Removed something like 60% of the bunkers and consolidated other pot bunkers and such.

It was costing the club tons of money to maintain and I can’t remember the numbers off the top of my head but I was shocked how expensive bunkers were to maintain.
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