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Anyone here been through the pga pgm program.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:20 am
Posted on 5/26/23 at 1:20 am
Considering but not sure how much work I’m signing up for. I’ve been in the industry for a little while from a business perspective, I’m not really interested in teaching but learning more about the industry is something I would like to do and this seems to be the best avenue even though it seems to be a major undertaking.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 6:27 pm
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Posted on 5/26/23 at 6:32 am to LSU5508
Listen to the Fire Pit podcast over the past 2 weeks as they are talking about The Club Pro crisis. It will give you some perspective on what you may be in for.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 6:38 am to LSU5508
I was a club pro.
Dont do it. It sucks.
Dont do it. It sucks.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:06 am to blueboxer1119
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I was a club pro.
Dont do it. It sucks.
Why does it suck?
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:08 am to RummelTiger
Shitty hours
Shitty members
Shitty members
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:11 am to TDTOM
Yeah, I can definitely see both of those being issues.
Our pro is a great guy, but Jesus he's told me some stories about some of our garbage members...it's crazy to think how some of these people act.
Our pro is a great guy, but Jesus he's told me some stories about some of our garbage members...it's crazy to think how some of these people act.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:13 am to RummelTiger
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Why does it suck?
Man I could make a list....
Working weekends, opening the proshop at 6, constant member complaints, no show staff like cartboys, pro shop attendants stealing, etc
Guess who pulled the carts out when the cartboys no show?
Saturdays at work rather than tailgaiting..
And the pay was awful.
(My salary was 36k - this was about 15 yrs ago though, but still awful).
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:18 am to blueboxer1119
Our head pro is known for going pick the range. Pretty sure he does it to get out though.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:27 am to TDTOM
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Our head pro is known for going pick the range. Pretty sure he does it to get out though.
Oh yeah, i had to do that shite too.
frick that.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 7:31 am to LSU5508
Any job working with people can suck.
7 days a week.
Even “maintenance Mondays” are filled up with “Charity Scrambles.”
Members are people, people can suck.
7 days a week.
Even “maintenance Mondays” are filled up with “Charity Scrambles.”
Members are people, people can suck.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:18 am to LSU5508
I’m currently a Class A PGA Member and graduated from Mississippi State’s PGM Program in 2018. I can say it was probably the best decision I’ve ever made. I’ve been fortunate enough to travel around the country and see some really neat places, play some really cool golf courses, and meet some of the best people along the way. It can be challenging at times but if you love the game of golf it’s totally worth it in my opinion.
As far as the workload, for college it’s a 4.5 year program in total. The program is within the MSU College of Business so you’ll graduate with a marketing degree. In addition to completing your normal business classes you’ll also worth through the PGA’s curriculum which covers everything from teaching to merchandising and management. While you’re in school you’ll have to pass the PGA Playing Ability Test and complete 3 separate paid internships which will add up to a total of 16 months in order to qualify for PGA membership.
I think it’s also important to note that being a club pro at a golf course is not the only career route. Most golf pros start there because it is the traditional route, but there’s 24 other career routes a PGA member can take.
If you have questions let me know and I can send you my email address.
As far as the workload, for college it’s a 4.5 year program in total. The program is within the MSU College of Business so you’ll graduate with a marketing degree. In addition to completing your normal business classes you’ll also worth through the PGA’s curriculum which covers everything from teaching to merchandising and management. While you’re in school you’ll have to pass the PGA Playing Ability Test and complete 3 separate paid internships which will add up to a total of 16 months in order to qualify for PGA membership.
I think it’s also important to note that being a club pro at a golf course is not the only career route. Most golf pros start there because it is the traditional route, but there’s 24 other career routes a PGA member can take.
If you have questions let me know and I can send you my email address.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 8:46 am to blueboxer1119
Second the motion.
I was an apprentice when the PGM was created and implemented. A radical shift from the previous format which was 2 week long business schools and then the final interview to get PGA membership.
I don’t fault the PGA of America for improving the training of apprentices, but they really didn’t think it through well. When I was a club pro in the 90s, I made $15K annually. It was a very tough nut to swallow to fork out $1500-2000 for business school when the previous iteration cost $250 (plus Titleist helped pay for it then).
When guys in the industry I had known for years and respected greatly were telling their kids not to follow in their footsteps, it was time to leave.
I was an apprentice when the PGM was created and implemented. A radical shift from the previous format which was 2 week long business schools and then the final interview to get PGA membership.
I don’t fault the PGA of America for improving the training of apprentices, but they really didn’t think it through well. When I was a club pro in the 90s, I made $15K annually. It was a very tough nut to swallow to fork out $1500-2000 for business school when the previous iteration cost $250 (plus Titleist helped pay for it then).
When guys in the industry I had known for years and respected greatly were telling their kids not to follow in their footsteps, it was time to leave.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 4:42 pm to Floyd Dawg
Was a PGA member and Head professional. Got out of the business in 1999 and it was the best thing I ever did. Imagine babysitting a bunch of 40 year old rich people. Any one of those could fire you in a second. If you plan on having a family, good luck.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:12 pm to AirbusDawg
Im doing it for a little different reason. The company I work for bought a golf course that’s a pretty nice course so I’m already entrenched in the day to day just not onsite. I wont be a in house guy, we have those guys, I’m doing it more for the education on the higher level management side. The PGA guys I know recommended this route to get to the executive management certification which is a specialization once you are in the pgm program and since my company will pay for it i’ll at-least have the option to maybe change careers and go towards a higher level general manager job or some type of pga management job down the line.
I’m also already established in life, done school and older so this would be a kinda at my own pace kinda thing allowing me to maybe transition into golf management full time after my current job gets boring.
I think I can do the education fine but getting sub 80 at 40 with small kids might be a little harder than when I was young.
I’m also already established in life, done school and older so this would be a kinda at my own pace kinda thing allowing me to maybe transition into golf management full time after my current job gets boring.
I think I can do the education fine but getting sub 80 at 40 with small kids might be a little harder than when I was young.
This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 5/26/23 at 5:36 pm to LSU5508
The specializations are continuing education once you’re already a PGA member. You would have to complete the PGA coursework first to be eligible for membership and then you can specialize in certain areas.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 6:57 pm to decomp03
From speaking to the pga today at length things have changed in the new 3.0 program. Everyone goes through level one the same then you have to choose a concentration for level two and three. You have to choose teaching, golf ops or executive management.
Posted on 5/26/23 at 10:38 pm to LSU5508
I am a DOG at a very high end club in Arizona. I make a good living (6 figures) and I have a ton of other benefits based on who I know and what I get when I travel. That said, it is a very tough business if you are a young dad or wanting to have a family. You work weekends and you work holidays…. You work with spoiled millionaires whom are some of the biggest bitches and drama queens in the world. I have had options to change careers based on who I have met and have come very close to pulling the trigger.
I still love my job and love where I work and really do love being the face of a golf club that I love. But it is not a glamorous job by any means. Each club is different
I still love my job and love where I work and really do love being the face of a golf club that I love. But it is not a glamorous job by any means. Each club is different
Posted on 5/27/23 at 5:51 pm to AZTiger7072
Thanks this really is a back up plan for me as I have no immediate need to leave my job but since my company acquired a larger course I want the education and even though the associate program is much more than I need it’s the only avenue to get the education.
This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 5/29/23 at 6:24 pm to LSU5508
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The company I work for bought a golf course that’s a pretty nice course so I’m already entrenched in the day to day just not onsite. I wont be a in house guy, we have those guys, I’m doing it more for the education on the higher level management side.
Don’t get into PGM. Get into the CMAA.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 6:27 pm
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