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re: The Witcher 4 Reveal Trailer

Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:22 pm to
She was literally trained in the way of fighting like wolf school witchers. She was trained by all of the main crew Geralt Lambert Eskel and Vesemir each in their specialities of wolf school fighting. This is like very basic witcher lore and wouldnt be an acceptable retcon

Also theres zero way they attach her to the school of the cat. A school known for becoming mercenaries' for hire and assassins. Pretty sure it is a lynx and that has been confirmed
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:30 pm to
I'm still holding out hope that Ciri is nothing more than a flavor character and the main protagonist is something out of Lambert's/Metz's school of the Lynx. Ciri as the protagonist is just a terrible fricking idea. Don't like.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:34 pm to
I agree a direct continuation on from witcher 3 some indeterminate time in the future (looks like a decade at least) with ciri as the protag wasnt high on my list either. the truth is and you have read the books i believe so youll know this, that saga of the witcher she is just as much the main protag as geralt. It is about book 4 where she outright becomes the lead.This means just like Geralt her story too was done and didnt need additions.

But it is at least a rpg with a set protag to experience the narrative through and not a lame arse character creator which almost never works unless youre fromsoft or larian. So it wasnt my worst option and i hope for the best.
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:34 pm to
quote:


She was literally trained in the way of fighting like wolf school witchers. She was trained by all of the main crew Geralt Lambert Eskel and Vesemir each in their specialities of wolf school fighting. This is like very basic witcher lore and wouldnt be an acceptable retcon


this is obviously an older Ciri which doesnt have any basis in the books. i wish people would stop with this slavish dedication to the book lore. ITs ok to do something a little different if it works.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:38 pm to
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his is obviously an older Ciri which doesnt have any basis in the books. i wish people would stop with this slavish dedication to the book lore. ITs ok to do something a little different if it works.


No. It isnt. Especially if this is what it appears to be which is a direct continuation from the witcher 3, which in itself was a direct continuation of every single thing from allllll the books from the short stories to the 7 novels except it changed to ending to let the story continue. That means it carries that lore with it to argue otherwise is foolish. Wanna do something new? Thats fine and im cool with that. Go back 400 years and create your own witcher story out of whole cloth. Doubt they have the talent for that now though so they have no choice really but to ape off others work again
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:42 pm to
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this is obviously an older Ciri which doesnt have any basis in the books. i wish people would stop with this slavish dedication to the book lore. ITs ok to do something a little different if it works.

A little different is fine. On the other hand, taking a character who isn't a witcher and turning them into one (which means voluntarily going through a mutations process in which she has a roughly 25% chance of survival) while also ignoring their ability to literally warp through time and space isn't a little different; that's taking a named established character and turning them into something completely different just to take advantage of the fact that they are a named character.

They could completely surprise me and do something extremely interesting with her character and powers. But if CDPR turns Ciri into essentially just another witcher, fans of the series aren't going to be particularly happy, and for good reason. The best way I can explain it is that turning Ciri into a witcher at this point is only slightly less absurd than turning Yen into a witcher.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:46 pm to
The only way I can see this being acceptable is if they do some sort of take on my suggestion earlier, using the deal with the white frost to basically nuke her super powers at least for almost all the time. Give her a combat style very similar to geralt and eskel as she should have, since she can still conduit magic you could replace the signs tree with a base magic tree and i think itd be fine, as far as alchemy well that is going to be the kicker isnt it. Youd basically have to hand wave it away and say in this past 11 years magic made it so i can drink witcher potions.

Would fans accept a game like this as a direct continuation as witcher 3? I am skeptical but CDPR hasnt made anything bad yet so i will give deference
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
5998 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:51 pm to
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No. It isnt. Especially if this is what it appears to be which is a direct continuation from the witcher 3, which in itself was a direct continuation of every single thing from allllll the books from the short stories to the 7 novels except it changed to ending to let the story continue. That means it carries that lore with it to argue otherwise is foolish. Wanna do something new? Thats fine and im cool with that. Go back 400 years and create your own witcher story out of whole cloth. Doubt they have the talent for that now though so they have no choice really but to ape off others work again


1. they wouldnt have to go back 400 years. Strange comment.
2. Some of us dont need things to be carbon copies of each other to feel all safe and cozy. If they have the originator's blessing.
3. The games are not direct continuations of the books.
4. my original point was that ciri will likely play/fight a lot different than geralt in combat which could be fun. Now we are several posts in your weird arse flex on your awesome witcher knowledge.

anyway I'm out. continue to argue with yourself if you want.

shite like this is why people dont like you here.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:51 pm to
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We can agree to disagree. One of the main pulls of video games is seeing yourself as the hero in the story.

I used to always create male characters, then someone once uttered the wise words of if i'm gonna stare at my characters arse all game, it might as well be a chicks arse.
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
5998 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

A little different is fine. On the other hand, taking a character who isn't a witcher and turning them into one (which means voluntarily going through a mutations process in which she has a roughly 25% chance of survival) while also ignoring their ability to literally warp through time and space isn't a little different; that's taking a named established character and turning them into something completely different just to take advantage of the fact that they are a named character.


i was thinking along these lines when i was watching the trailer but I'd give CDPR a chance to show us what they have to say.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:54 pm to
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The games are not direct continuations


Dude are you high? They literally are. They’re littered with references and events that happened and things that play our hinge on them having happened. They literally just changed that geralt and yen die in the end and kept the exact same story going. The EXACT same story. You’ve admitted you haven’t read them so how would you even know anyway? There’s likely a ton of stuff you don’t even really understand well especially in Witcher 1 and 2 Witcher 3 is a bit better at onboarding that’s how much a continuation they are.

When you do this you’re tied to the lore of that source material. You look like a fool arguing otherwise it’s comical


quote:

People don’t like you here


I’ve actually been welcomed back almost completely since my post rehab. You’re just mad I made you look like you had no idea what you’re taking about because you don’t. Which is fine we all make mistakes I’m not mad and you shouldn’t take it personal
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:58 pm to
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Not gonna play as a woman sorry


Good try wokecher 4

same. such a shame they decided to make this about a dumb hoe.

we need more alpha male leads. Witcher 3 messed up making Gerald emo, now they make him a full on woman.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:00 pm to
I actually like playing as women in games when the game devs use the woman protagonist in interesting ways either by doing story telling or gameplay in a way a man could not.

I also like playing games like stellar blade and bayonetta where it’s just a bomb arse game with hot arse chicks.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:19 pm to
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Pretty sure it is a lynx and that has been confirmed

Kind of cool that someone wrote some fan fiction, and the studio decided to run with it.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 4:21 pm to
yeah I remember people calling it lynx when that one image first was put out announcing the game. Idk if they actually meant it to be that or not but as I’ve said I’m pretty certain it has been confirmed to be a lynx medallion. We also don’t know if it is necessarily ciris
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:02 pm to
the only way the game will work playing a female is if we get to frick a buncha dudes like Gerald did the women in witcher 3.

although Ciri was bi in the books, so we should get to frick chicks also. maybe a MFF threesome or 2
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 5:04 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62407 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:06 pm to
This looks fantastic. All in.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9794 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 8:34 pm to
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I'm still holding out hope that Ciri is nothing more than a flavor character and the main protagonist is something out of Lambert's/Metz's school of the Lynx. Ciri as the protagonist is just a terrible fricking idea. Don't like.


Yeah theyll have to depower Ciri bigtime
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9794 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 8:35 pm to
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the only way the game will work playing a female is if we get to frick a buncha dudes like Gerald did the women in witcher 3.



wtf
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27830 posts
Posted on 12/13/24 at 8:42 pm to
Yeah call it a double standard call me sexistt i dont give a shite. Ciri is canonically bi so if they wanna throw in lesbian brothels ill be the last person on that complain train. If they want me to watch ciri, a girl whose story ive followed since she was a small child, get bent over and railed by some dude? Complain train is leaving the station.
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