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re: Some gamers seriously need help, re: female generals in Total War Rome II

Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:04 pm to
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:04 pm to
The outrage of the outrage is more your thing?
Posted by SeeeeK
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:07 pm to
2 be fair, the biggest supporters of these type of games, buy it for it's authenticity.

And the developers, who are still making games, because of them supporting their work, are now trying to shite on authenticity for inclusion.

Getting #woke is stupid

Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:08 pm to
No. Like I said, I don't have time for that.

I probably could avoid it all if I wasn't still into gaming. But alas...
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:09 pm to
Are you talking about Total War?
Posted by Big_Slim
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:10 pm to
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sicboy


I can’t believe I’m about to say this but I think I actually agree with you for once. The only place I disagree is when it’s done as heavy handed virtue signalling. If Total War’s reasoning behind putting women generals in the games is simply that they thought it would be badass, then cool, I can dig it. If their response includes any bullshite about female/minority representation, then they can get fricked.

I just don’t like when companies try to tell me what great people they are. It’s dishonest and just generally pisses me off.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:11 pm to
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What does it matter? Does every female character garner this kind of response?

No, but it is the prominent character, up to and including her placement on the cover.

Everything in advertising serves a purpose.
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It's a fictionalized game. The series always has been. The realism and accuracy came with the gameplay, not the stories and settings. Battlefield lets you use a blow torch to repair a tank from a few RPG blasts in the matter of seconds. Same said blow torch will fix a bridge. Ejecting out of a jet, blowing up another jet with a rocket, then getting back into your jet.
I will argue that the complaints of those against the addition of females isn’t truly due to historical accuracy. That just happens to be the easiest method to get the point across without being deemed sexist.
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There are plenty of other issues to raise your blood pressure at, but we constantly hunt down reasons to lose it because we swear those damn progs are at it again.
Young males feel increasingly more and more marginalized in today’s society.

They are ostracized and told their tendencies are detrimental to society.

Everything is built to help females, despite the fact that they outshine males in nearly every category, including college graduation rates and pay post-graduation.

That same mindset is creeping into gaming as well.

The male community of gaming is put secondary in most of the conversations about games because of cries of “lack of women” and “diversity”.

My point is, the vast majority of gamers are male. Making the centerpoint of a game female, one that is played by a vast majority of males, which actually serves no purpose beyond the “female empowerment” role doesn’t make much sense.

No one cares that Lara Croft, Bayonetta, Samus Aran, and others like them are female. No one cares that you can make your character in Mass Effect female. I honestly believe that no one would care if you could make your character in MP female if BF wouldn’t have responded the way they did or if they wouldn’t have made the female angle the most important point in their ads or speeches.

What appears to bother this community is when it is made the center point.

Also, you inflame these mentalities when the developers call their base “sexist” or “racist”.
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted by RATeamWannabe
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:12 pm to
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Big difference I don't lose my mind on stupid stuff.

Or I can ignore a lot of it, like most can't.


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sicboy


So its the reactions that you can't ignore and choose to speak out against?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:13 pm to
They spelled it out in that statement I posted. They gave players the option to get married. Hence more women would be a part of the family, then more women are available to recruit as generals.


Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:13 pm to
As much as people don’t want to accept it or will laugh at it, the turmoil in the gaming community is simply a reflection of the male turmoil and problems currently facing our society as a whole.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:13 pm to
bitch, I just felt like a thread
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:15 pm to
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he turmoil in the gaming community is simply a reflection of the male turmoil and problems currently facing our society as a whole.


I'd say a lot of it is prepubescent children with a narrow view of the world knowing how to use the internet to make their voice the loudest.

At least I feel is the case with instances like this.



Not you, scruffy
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:18 pm to
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I'd say a lot of it is prepubescent children with a narrow view of the world knowing how to use the internet to make their voice the loudest.

At least I feel is the case with instances like this.
I would disagree.

I think the majority of them are older than you think.

20s in age.

I suspect that it is the age that groups like MGTOW get the majority of their support from.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:23 pm to
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My point is, the vast majority of gamers are male. Making the centerpoint of a game female, one that is played by a vast majority of males, which actually serves no purpose beyond the “female empowerment” role doesn’t make much sense.



I'll wait and see what that part of the game is about. If it's a bunch of male bashing for the sake of male bashing, you're right on. But since no one knows any of that yet, we went with "historical accuracy". I'm a broken record, but that's a dumb argument in this case, but nobody is forcing any of us to buy it. If this tanks, the message will get across, good or bad.


And I guess my point is, again, these are fictional characters. They didn't make her a female representation of Patton or Major Winters..........I'm assuming.

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Also, you inflame these mentalities when the developers call their base “sexist” or “racist”


Totally agree, but you're hard pressed to read that outcry other than that, IMO.


Maybe COD will kick it's arse (seems like the BR mode is a big hit) and this will all be moot
Posted by RATeamWannabe
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:23 pm to
Oh, you thought that was a reference to just this thread?
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:28 pm to
If the response is disproportionate, I might say something.


I called out left media on PT about how they skewed something Franklin Graham had said about Kavanaugh, but no one will remember.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:29 pm to
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What does it matter? Does every female character garner this kind of response?


No lol. IE....If CDPR decides to make a Witcher game with Ciri as he lead i’d Pre-order day one

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It's a fictionalized game. The series always has been. The realism and accuracy came with the gameplay, not the stories and settings.


If I buy a COD/Battlefield game that takes place in WWII, I want it to be as historically accurate as possible in terms of characters, plot, weapons and vehicles.

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Battlefield lets you use a blow torch to repair a tank from a few RPG blasts in the matter of seconds. Same said blow torch will fix a bridge. Ejecting out of a jet, blowing up another jet with a rocket, then getting back into your jet.


These are clearly actions that make gameplay more fluid. It isn’t an effort in terms of realism. If a game makes you hammer a tank for two weeks until it’s fixed no one would play it. These are points far away from forcing female soldiers into a WWII setting.

FWIW, I have no problem with devs putting whatever they want into a game. Like with Battlefield, I just won’t buy it. They are making the game and have the right to do with it as they wish. Doesn’t mean i’m some kind of misogynistic a-hole for not wanting to buy it.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:34 pm to
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If I buy a COD/Battlefield game that takes place in WWII, I want it to be as historically accurate as possible in terms of characters, plot, weapons and vehicles.


That's fair. I just know that as big as those franchises have become, they know that sticking to accuracy isn't going to keep selling the games. They need to ramp them up as far as gameplay elements and story telling. This is why the Halo series went away from what traditionlists loved about the series. In this day of shooters, basic Halo isn't going to sell to the new crowd. You need to include power ups and kill streaks, as much as it pains me to say being a CE vet.

The kind of game you want is niche now, and probably destined for the PC. I remember when Operation Flashpoint had those two entries on the last gen and they tanked so hard. I don't feel we've seen another game like that on console since.


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11 YEARS???
This post was edited on 9/25/18 at 1:37 pm
Posted by SonicAndBareKnuckles
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 1:40 pm to
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FWIW, I have no problem with devs putting whatever they want into a game. Like with Battlefield, I just won’t buy it. They are making the game and have the right to do with it as they wish. Doesn’t mean i’m some kind of misogynistic a-hole for not wanting to buy it.


I was going to buy BF5 until I saw the EA CEO telling people to not buy the game; I'm not putting up with that shite. It's not like I'm losing anything though... I'll be $60 richer, and I'll have a lot more time for RDR 2.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 2:00 pm to
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If I buy a COD/Battlefield game that takes place in WWII, I want it to be as historically accurate as possible in terms of characters, plot, weapons and vehicles


This. There are some truly badass female characters in gaming, but when it comes to something historical like BF, I don't want it.

One of the major draws of BF has been its realism in regard to history. Now, they decide to virtue signal and it basically makes the game fiction.

I'd be just as mad if there were a game based on the Tuskegee Airmen and they put a white dude in it.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 9/25/18 at 2:14 pm to
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I'm anti SJW on a lot of stuff


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