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volod
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Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
Just wanted to share my thoughts.

I'm a big pokemon fan. Been playing since Red/Blue. I'm also a competitive player (Smogon, Showdown, etc.). I'm even considering going into VGC with Sword and Shield. I going to buy the games because I love the series. But I find Game Freaks excuses pathetic. Especially when they used the "graphical upgrade" defense for models that are literally upscale 3DS models. Super lazy is an understatement.

And the cuts are WAY more than expected. I expected 100-200. But they cut over 478 out 809 already established pokemon.

I dont really like the reduced Pokedex for a couple of reasons. One being that understand every pokemon is someone's favorite. But a more pressing concerns are as follows.

1) meta manipulation

This is a way to hit the reset button on t¹he past 2 generations of Pokemon battling. Specifically Mega Evolution and Z moves. I'm assuming those are being removed in lieu of the gigantamax (Kaiju mechanic as I see it).

2) Give them an inch...

This is a segway into every generation being a selective choice of pokemon. Casual players won't care, and that's their choice. But it limits my options as a consumer on what teams I want to run, etc.

Again, I understand why they needed to make certain changes, but I can acknowledge that some of them were unnecessary (and yes certain meta relevant pokemon were also cut).

UPDATE 11/12/2019: I just found out that 144 moves have been removed. Including Hidden Power.

It's already known Z moves and Megas are gone. I'm actually okay with it becomes it will put battles back into focus on team makeup rather than supporting a boss pokemon.
This post was edited on 11/12 at 3:49 pm


geauxtigers87
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it's inexcusable. no one with the resources at their disposal should be doing shite like this. they are no better than EA, activision, etc


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LSU Coyote
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I read that, kind of pissed. Esp for competition.


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Broski
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
I just don't understand how doing this benefits them in any way.


TigerOnTheMountain
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
They went ham on Gen 1 and Gen 2. I’d like to hear how they decided which Pokémon to cut and which to leave.


BulldogXero
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Gamefreak clearly doesn't want to make Pokemon anymore. Because the ownership of the franchise is so nebulous, I don't know if Nintendo can just put another team on it, but they should if possible.

It wouldn't be that difficult.


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volod
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
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I just don't understand how doing this benefits them in any way.


They LITERALLY just took the models from 3DS games and upscaled them. And 1st generation pokemon ALL HAD HIGH QUALITY MODELS ALA LETS GO!

I don't even care that they removed certain pokemon save for the sheer amount. I understand that we basically are staring at 1000 pokemon by 9th generation, but you should be future proofing your models.


TigerOnTheMountain
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
They blamed it on balancing problems from what I read. Sounds like a lazy excuse.


volod
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
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They blamed it on balancing problems from what I read. Sounds like a lazy excuse.


Same here. The irony of this excuse is that balancing in large part is a creation of the players and movesets Gamefreak creates.

Example: We have a move called Stealth Rock in the game. It's been a staple for 10 years. They've done nothing to nerf it (until the new game comes out).

So players create teams balanced around both stealth rock and field hazard removal. Bug/Fire/Flying dual types need to have support to deal with this one move.

This is one of MANY issues that won't be fixed with less pokemon. The real issue is that balancing singles (6v6) is harder than doubles VGC (4v4, bring 6 pick 4)


TigerOnTheMountain
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
I agree that it makes more sense and would be far less impactful to just nerf moves. That requires more work and thought, so instead they just lazily remove Pokémon with no explanation as to how they chose the ones they removed. They removed some staples in the series.
This post was edited on 11/11 at 12:22 am


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Brettesaurus Rex
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
Just to play devils advocate you could make the argument that not every single Pokémon inhabits the new region.


But...yeah....removing close to half of them, if true, is ridiculous.


rebel of fortune
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The thing is you had to trade from past games to get the old Pokémon in and now you can’t trade to the new game anymore. You can only store old Pokémon in Pokémon home in a few months and get charged to sit old Pokémon until they add them to a new game. It’s a terrible service considering you will keep old Pokémon in there for years before they get added to a new game.


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ConcreteThreshold
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I’m bummed because initially it seemed like they were taking out legendaries and overused competitive Pokémon. Over half the dex? Really really lame.

It was also stated that each Pokemon was going to receive extra attention (battle and idle animations). Not sure there has been any changes here.
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Nguyener
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You forgot about forced party XP share that is not able to be turned off. Enough to make me not buy the game.

I can understand if you need to cut some Pokémon. There's 800. But to cut the original starters? That's unforgivable.


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LSU Coyote
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They went ham on Gen 1 and Gen 2. I’d like to hear how they decided which Pokémon to cut and which to leave.

Wait most of Gen1 got cut?

They lose ppl my age who don't even compete right there.. fckk.


McCaigBro69
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
This is why I stopped playing at Soul Silver. Got too fricking ridiculous the amount they were adding and almost impossible to actually catch them all.


LSU Coyote
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This is why I stopped playing at Soul Silver. Got too fricking ridiculous the amount they were adding and almost impossible to actually catch them all.

I don't mind not filling the Pokedex.


brucevilanch
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I don't mind not filling the Pokedex.



That's cause you ain't real real.


The Funnie Five
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
I am a big Pokemon fan, but the games(the main quest portion) have been shite since Black/White. Black/White was the last good installment.

Since then you had X/Y which was disappointing and the Sun/Moon which seemed to double down on everything that made Pokemon X/Y shitty.

Here's the deal, I don't give a flying frick about story in a Pokemon game. Red/Blue and Gold/Silver had a minimal story, if a story at all, and they were still great games. Because it was all about the gameplay - catching, battling, leveling up, getting badges, beating the Elite 4. All of the development resources were put into the gameplay

X/Y and Sun/Moon seemed to put all the games resources into the story and other worthless shite like Poke Amie. Sun/Moon was especially bad as all the cutscenes made the game molasses slow and a chore to play. I didn't even end up finishing Sun/Moon - I couldn't do it anymore and was bored to tears. I could never imagine replaying it

If GameFreak can get back to what makes the games good(gameplay) and focus all the resources on that, they might be able to make the next game reverse all this bad publicity. The franchise has so much potential that has not been tapped and GameFreak continues to waste it.

Removing Pokemon isnt even that big of a deal for me, it was bound to happen eventually, but you can tell it was done because they are lazy. Had they just channeled the resources saved by taking Pokemon out into other gameplay improvements, that would have been fine, but they didn't even do that.


rebel of fortune
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re: Pokemon Sword/Shield and the Pokedex debacle
Everything about this game is rushed and it clearly shows. It’s basically slightly better graphics than Sun and Moon. The postgame might be the worst of any of the games. I actually enjoyed X and Y but they dropped mega evolution which was the best idea they’ve come up with. The best two Pokémon games are Soul Silver and Black 2.


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