re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Yeah, I just googled. The 944 is what I was thinking of, but was mainly thinking about how it had backseats. My friend's dad, when I was growing up, had 2 944s, and I always loved them. Super cool car.


yeah, computer stuff!

Can I keep the LEDs when I water cool them, though?

Look, I like the gaming board and don't want to not come here anymore because of a bunch of shite. So I apologize if I was an a-hole and I'd appreciate it if everyone could just drop this crap now. I'm cool about it, hopefully everyone else can be too.

Cool.

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No problem. Hell, if you encounter issues during the build, I might even still try to help with that, as long as you follow my diagnostic instructions to the letter and don't try to explain to me why my instructions are wrong.

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I appreciate that. And I do want to clarify something. I guess I must have made it seem like I thought you were wrong when I didn't take you up on your advice or perhaps when I asked questions. That was never my intention. I know you know more about this stuff than I do, I just chose, perhaps unwisely, to go with what I personally liked. That's all. And in doing so I wasn't trying to imply that you didn't know what you were talking about. So, hope we're cool now.

ETA: The build is probably going to start Friday once the last pieces come in. Is there any point in using four Corsair SP120 fans along with the H100i in a push/pull configuration rather than the standard two fans? The radiator will be mounted to the top of the case. Also, could you give me a brief rundown on what push/pull is, exactly. I mean I realize it must be simple; air is either simultaneously being pushed by the top fans through the radiator where the bottom fans pull it into the case, or or perhaps one set of fans pulls air into the case while the other pushes it out? But are there significant advantages to this type of setup?

Also, the Corsair 760t will have 2 140mm intake fans in the front, an H100i up top with at least 2 SP120 fans, and an AF140mm fan for the rear exhaust. I'm going to remove the hard drive cages as I won't be needing them since I'm running only SSDs now and that should improve airflow. But there is another fan mounting location at the bottom where the rear hard-drive cage sits for another 120 or 140mm fan. Is there any point or advantage to mounting another fan there? Would you use it to bring in more air, since the case is on a stand so there's clearance between it and the ground, or would you use it as another exhaust? Or is it kind of pointless to put one there?

It's actually better to have slightly more air in than out. Called "positive pressure" -- but only if you have appropriate filtration. Didn't see if the case you ordered had fan filters built in. If not, there are some cheap magnetic effective solutions.

The positive pressure ensures that all of the air is being pulled in by the fans (filtered), and not through crevices/cracks in the case, which would contribute to fast, heavy dust buildup.

I'll post more later when i have time, if others haven't already.

Here's a push/pull diagram



Both fans blow in the same direction to double the airflow through the radiator. Push/pull typically adds about 20% additional cooling performance, depending of course on the radiator's fin density, the static pressure of the fans, and the placement of the radiator in the case.

The best configuration for a radiator is to have it pull in air from outside the case, but unfortunately cases are rarely set up to allow that kind of placement for 240mm+ radiators. They are generally mounted at the top of the case, with air blowing out as exhaust. That's another reason positive pressure is important, so the radiator fans aren't simply taking the heat given off by your other components and passing that warm air through your radiator.

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I think the 760t can run a push/pull with four SP120 fans attached to an H100i. So that would be the best solution? I mean I can even remove the top panel to give it really good access to the outside air, I'd just have to be careful about monitoring dust.

I had seen a 760t running a H100i in push/pull on Youtube, but wasn't sure if it made that big of a difference.

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I wouldn't go overboard with the cooling just yet. It would probably be best to run it "stock" with just two fans first and see what kind of cooling you get out of it. The 4770k is a complicated overclocker, and it has a threshold where temps can skyrocket and no closed loop cooler is going to be able to cool it adequately, and adding a couple of fans won't make a difference. Unless you're having someone else do the overclocking, I can't imagine you'll get anything beyond a basic auto-OC in the 4.0-4.3 range with dynamic/auto voltage, with stock ring/cache. I have mine at 4.7, with the full custom loop (shown below), and extensive tweaking in the bios to input, memory, digital/analog, and ring voltages, in addition to vcore, power limit adjustments, etc.


The radiator at the top is in push-pull, and there's a second radiator (also 360mm) at the bottom (right behind that bottom panel) with only 3 fans (in push configuration, drawing air in from the outside). There are also three 120mm fans in the front pulling air in.

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Do you think adding a 120mm fan to the bottom of the case, as an intake, would help pull in more air and essentially further help the H100i out?

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Only if this case will be on your desk and not on the floor. It may help a little, but probably more for your GPU temps.

Just go ahead and delid the 4770k and get it over with, because you'll eventually do it anyway. Especially, if you get sucked into the madness that is overclocking. It would suck to leave all that potential power just sitting there burning a hole in your H100i.