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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 1/28/24 at 4:41 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 1/28/24 at 4:41 pm to Joshjrn
Think I'm gonna grab that new Alienware QD-OLED 1440p 360Hz monitor that just dropped at CES last week. LINK
Looks like the perfect blend of everything anyone could want out of a monitor.
3rd gen Samsung QD-OLED panel, highest OLED refresh rate on market, semi glossy screen no matte coating, true 10 bit color. $899 seems like a good price for what you are getting in addition to the 3 year warranty that covers burn in.
Looks like the perfect blend of everything anyone could want out of a monitor.
3rd gen Samsung QD-OLED panel, highest OLED refresh rate on market, semi glossy screen no matte coating, true 10 bit color. $899 seems like a good price for what you are getting in addition to the 3 year warranty that covers burn in.
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Posted on 1/28/24 at 5:17 pm to UltimateHog
I'm UW4lyfe, but if you are looking for standard ratio and have a use for that high of a refresh rate, then yeah, looks very solid.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 5:32 pm to Joshjrn
Yeah UW is not for me. I play way too much competitive and very little single player so pushing refresh rate is up there among main things. I'd still buy it at 240 though but not below that.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 8:32 pm to UltimateHog
I really want it as well, but don’t need it quite yet. Going to watch and hope other OLED releases drive it down a couple hundred bucks over the next 6 months or so.
Posted on 1/28/24 at 10:51 pm to bamabenny
Yeah if you can wait it will def go down a bit on sale probably as soon as the 4th of July.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:32 am to bluebarracuda
New mobo and she booted right on up 
Going to try to see if I can get this old mobo revived somehow since I have DDR5 RAM and a Celeron G6900 lying around
Going to try to see if I can get this old mobo revived somehow since I have DDR5 RAM and a Celeron G6900 lying around
Posted on 1/31/24 at 10:08 am to bluebarracuda
So, even if I wanted to get a 4080 Super (not saying I do, but I thought about it), I can't because no one has them at launch.
ETA: I got to nvidia.com and its asking for a microsoft login. Do I have a virus?
ETA: I got to nvidia.com and its asking for a microsoft login. Do I have a virus?
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/31/24 at 11:32 am to SaintEB
Scalpers always get the first wave thinking the secondary market will net a few hundred bucks over MSRP
Then they realize consumers aren’t in the GPU crunch of 2020 and they frick off
Then they realize consumers aren’t in the GPU crunch of 2020 and they frick off
Posted on 1/31/24 at 11:57 am to SaintEB
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So, even if I wanted to get a 4080 Super (not saying I do, but I thought about it), I can't because no one has them at launch.
As Benny said, it’s all scalper bullshite. Give it a week or two to shake out.
So for those playing the home game, the 4080S is basically 2% faster than the original 4080. It’s essentially on par to the 7900xtx in pure raster, much better in RT, and a bit better power efficiency. I would expect to see the price of the 7900xtx drop to somewhere between $850-$900 in response to this release.
In conclusion: 4080S is boring, the 7900xtx is boring, and this whole generation sucks
Posted on 1/31/24 at 1:04 pm to Joshjrn
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In conclusion: 4080S is boring, the 7900xtx is boring, and this whole generation sucks
I saw Tech Jesus call it lame and cited the 1%-3% increase over the 4080. Said the only thing cool is its cheaper. Then "ended" his review video after like 45s. But he came back after the intro and showed the benchmarking an stuff.
Its a damn shame that they will sell a ton of these and feel like incremental increases will get people to buy. "For that reason, I'm out." Mark Cuban, SaintEB.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 1:55 pm to Joshjrn
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Joshjrn
I know jayztwocents is the review demigod to Tech Jesus, but he took a dump on AMD's 3d vcache and said he's switching back to Intel. Have you gotten a chance to see this video, by chance?
YouTube - jayz channel
He said something to the tune of certain games will use the vcache incorrectly, causing the game to....well shite, I don't really understand. Was wondering your thoughts on this as you seem to be an AMD guy.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:01 pm to SaintEB
This wasn’t even really an incremental increase, as 2% is damned near statistical noise; this was a $200 price reduction that they refused to call a $200 price reduction. Just corporate silliness. The stupid thing is that if they had just announced a $200 price drop on the 4080, I think it would have been received better. Still not worth $1k, but I don’t think people would be mocking it the way they are now.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:05 pm to SaintEB
I’m not in a position to load the video right now, but if it’s the one I’m thinking of, it’s less that he’s shitting on the x3D in general and more than he’s shitting on the… 7950?x3D he had in his system because the chip/Windows/programs/whatever don’t handle the hand off well between the 8 cores with the extra cache and the 8 cores that don’t. The system makes a ton of mistakes, and he got tired of micromanaging it.
Unless this is a brand new video that says something different, I don’t think he has any issue with the single die chips (everything below the X900) with 3D vcache.
Eta: to clarify the issue with the handoff, his chip only had the extra vcache on half of the cores. Some games were using the die (with half the cores) without the extra vcache, therefore defeating the purpose of having the extra vcache to begin with. Other tasks that don’t care about vcache and would do better with higher clock speeds would prioritize the slower die with the extra vcache, etc, etc.
Eta2: So a chip like the 7800x3D with only one die wouldn’t have the same problem, as every core has access to the extra vcache.
Unless this is a brand new video that says something different, I don’t think he has any issue with the single die chips (everything below the X900) with 3D vcache.
Eta: to clarify the issue with the handoff, his chip only had the extra vcache on half of the cores. Some games were using the die (with half the cores) without the extra vcache, therefore defeating the purpose of having the extra vcache to begin with. Other tasks that don’t care about vcache and would do better with higher clock speeds would prioritize the slower die with the extra vcache, etc, etc.
Eta2: So a chip like the 7800x3D with only one die wouldn’t have the same problem, as every core has access to the extra vcache.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:14 pm to Joshjrn
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Unless this is a brand new video that says something different, I don’t think he has any issue with the single die chips (everything below the X900) with 3D vcache.
Its is not new. You are correct, its the 7950 one, because I do recall him saying about the split core issue.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:18 pm to Joshjrn
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Eta: to clarify the issue with the handoff, his chip only had the extra vcache on half of the cores. Some games were using the die (with half the cores) without the extra vcache, therefore defeating the purpose of having the extra vcache to begin with. Other tasks that don’t care about vcache and would do better with higher clock speeds would prioritize the slower die with the extra vcache, etc, etc.
I guess this isn't the case, but I thought I read somewhere that the 3d vcache on the 7950x3d was split, allowing it to be split between cores (say 8/8).
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:21 pm to SaintEB
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I guess this isn't the case, but I thought I read somewhere that the 3d vcache on the 7950x3d was split, allowing it to be split between cores (say 8/8).
The 7950x3D has two processor dies with 8 cores on each die. While each die has vcache, the extra 3D vcache is only on one of the die. So one die with 8 cores has access to the normal amount of vcache while another die with 8 cores has access to the normal vcache plus the extra 3D cache.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:23 pm to Joshjrn
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So one die with 8 cores has access to the normal amount of vcache while another die with 8 cores has access to the normal vcache plus the extra 3D cache
So only one die has 3d vcache. Got it. You kinda have me nerding out on this stuff now. lol.
ETA: It may not be possible, but would AMD consider adding 3d vcache to both die in the future?
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:47 pm to SaintEB
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So only one die has 3d vcache. Got it. You kinda have me nerding out on this stuff now. lol. ETA: It may not be possible, but would AMD consider adding 3d vcache to both die in the future?
Their position was that because current games generally don’t even use 8 cores, adding the 3D vcache to the second die was both an unnecessary cost increase as well as a reduction in performance of that second die.
I think they expected the hand off logic to work better than it does, and in hindsight, I wonder if they regret that decision. They basically have three options: significantly improve the hand off logic, include the vcache on both dies, or simply stop selling the x3D above the X800 chips. Only time will tell which they choose.
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:57 pm to Joshjrn
Does the 7900x3d suffer from the same issue as the 7950x3d?
Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:48 pm to SaintEB
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Does the 7900x3d suffer from the same issue as the 7950x3d?
Same issue but worse. Only one die has the extra vcache, and each die has six cores. So where both the 7800x3D and 7950x3D have a die with extra vcache and eight cores, the 7900x3D has one six core die with extra vcache.
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