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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:22 am to hoojy
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:22 am to hoojy
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I can see that happening later next year. Can't see it happening right now with the TSMC production lag. I would love to be wrong tho. Hell, I'm probably wrong over half the time...so...
To go back to this, I think if they wait any longer than Q124, it just becomes DOA unless they bottom out the price. Assuming the rumor is true, my working theory is that they have been sitting on these chips for a while. As a reminder, for the 30 series, both the 3080 and 3090 used the 102 die. For the 40 series, the 4090 uses 102 but the 4080 is relegated to 103, meaning the current 4090 is the only gaming card using the 102 die. I know some of the professional cards use 102, but I think they use a different node size. So, to the best of my knowledge, which I admit is very low level, the 4090 is the only card using its specific chip and process. So any 4090 chips produced that were mostly fine but didn't quite meet the base spec count for the 4090 would just be sitting around with no use.
Assuming all of that is true, which I acknowledge may not be, it's not a question of shifting production to the 4080ti. It's simply rebranding slightly "defective" 4090 chips as 4080ti. Which, as a reminder, is exactly what they did from jump with the 3090/3080 last gen. They can further cut down on the BOM by packaging it with less VRAM, increasing margin on an otherwise "useless" bit of silicon.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 7:24 am
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Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:23 pm to Joshjrn
Ya, I get that it's the rejected 4090's. 
If their MO stays the same, it would be maybe a few months before Blackwell is released. Doesn't make too much sense to do otherwise.
If they do release early 2024, either they're going ahead with Blackwell 6 months later or they're gonna do another refresh. Another refresh will look bad on them unless they delay it(blackwell) until 2025. Turing supers anyone?
If their MO stays the same, it would be maybe a few months before Blackwell is released. Doesn't make too much sense to do otherwise.
If they do release early 2024, either they're going ahead with Blackwell 6 months later or they're gonna do another refresh. Another refresh will look bad on them unless they delay it(blackwell) until 2025. Turing supers anyone?
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:07 am to Joshjrn
If any of you BR folks, or people around BR, want something from Microcenter, I'm going there this weekend 
Posted on 10/12/23 at 10:15 am to bluebarracuda
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If any of you BR folks, or people around BR, want something from Microcenter, I'm going there this weekend
Im not in the BR area or need anything, but this might be the biggest bro move I have seen from anyone on TD.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 10:39 am to LSUGent
I just ordered me an upgrade this week.
My current rig is 5 or so years old.
ASROCK Z370 pro 4
Intel i5 8600K
16GB 3200mhz DDR4 G.Skill Trident Z
Corsair CX750 PSU
Asus Nvidia GEFORCE GTX 1060 6GB
500GB SSD
Corsair H60 H2O CPU Cooler
This is what I ordered
Intel® Core™ i7-13700KF
32 GB [16 GB X2] DDR5-6000MHz
RTX 4070
MSI PRO Z790-P WiFi
1000 Watt - CORSAIR RM1000e
2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2
My current rig is 5 or so years old.
ASROCK Z370 pro 4
Intel i5 8600K
16GB 3200mhz DDR4 G.Skill Trident Z
Corsair CX750 PSU
Asus Nvidia GEFORCE GTX 1060 6GB
500GB SSD
Corsair H60 H2O CPU Cooler
This is what I ordered
Intel® Core™ i7-13700KF
32 GB [16 GB X2] DDR5-6000MHz
RTX 4070
MSI PRO Z790-P WiFi
1000 Watt - CORSAIR RM1000e
2TB Samsung 990 PRO M.2
Posted on 10/21/23 at 1:41 pm to King
Really just need to know how much Id save building the exact same as the link, or if anyone knows about these tridents and the cooling system being worth the extra price.
MSI MEG Trident X2 13NUI-001USfor 4700? How much would I save building this myself?
Intel Core i9-13900KF 24-Core (13th Gen)
64GB of 4800 MHz DDR5 RAM
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 (24GB GDDR6X)
2TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
2.5Gb Ethernet Port | 1Gb Ethernet Port
Wi-Fi 6E (802.11ax) | Bluetooth 5.2
USB 3.2 Gen 1 & Gen 2 | USB 2.0
USB Gaming Keyboard & Mouse Included
Windows 11 Home (64-Bit)
If I do buy who would you trust the most to buy from?
Honestly with cooling being so important and having o ly built 1 rig myself... With such high end parts I'm not sure i would want to build it
nearly same build, normal tower, 1k less 4k with 3 year warranty
2nd edit:
Told my kid he would get his first rig for christmas, so rather than replacing my rig in the next few years anyway... I will just give him mine with 32 DDR4, 3TB of storage and a 3060ti.
other option would be buy him something black friday for around 1500 and wind up spending to overhaul/replace mine anyway later
I have an extra monitor and extra M/KB for him so I wont need new peripherals if i give him mine.
MSI MEG Trident X2 13NUI-001USfor 4700? How much would I save building this myself?
Intel Core i9-13900KF 24-Core (13th Gen)
64GB of 4800 MHz DDR5 RAM
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 (24GB GDDR6X)
2TB PCIe 4.0 M.2 SSD
2.5Gb Ethernet Port | 1Gb Ethernet Port
Wi-Fi 6E (802.11ax) | Bluetooth 5.2
USB 3.2 Gen 1 & Gen 2 | USB 2.0
USB Gaming Keyboard & Mouse Included
Windows 11 Home (64-Bit)
If I do buy who would you trust the most to buy from?
Honestly with cooling being so important and having o ly built 1 rig myself... With such high end parts I'm not sure i would want to build it
nearly same build, normal tower, 1k less 4k with 3 year warranty
2nd edit:
Told my kid he would get his first rig for christmas, so rather than replacing my rig in the next few years anyway... I will just give him mine with 32 DDR4, 3TB of storage and a 3060ti.
other option would be buy him something black friday for around 1500 and wind up spending to overhaul/replace mine anyway later
I have an extra monitor and extra M/KB for him so I wont need new peripherals if i give him mine.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 3:19 pm to Gusoline
Why would you ever buy a dead platform Intel cpu? 
Posted on 10/21/23 at 3:43 pm to UltimateHog
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Why would you ever buy a dead platform Intel cpu?
i dont know... that's why i asked first... thanks for the "help"
Posted on 10/21/23 at 3:51 pm to Gusoline
If you don't plan on upgrading anytime in the near future, don't worry about buying a "dead" platform.
I would go with the 12900k build from Amazon over the 13th gen one you posted.
12900k build has faster RAM and more storage
I would go with the 12900k build from Amazon over the 13th gen one you posted.
12900k build has faster RAM and more storage
Posted on 10/21/23 at 3:58 pm to Gusoline
quote:don't worry it's just his stock position he's concerned about, not actually helping people
thanks for the "help"
Posted on 10/21/23 at 4:01 pm to bluebarracuda
i posted the wrong link. apologies.
13900 but smaller ssd and cheaper still. some of the reviews of the shipper complain about long ship times
13900 but smaller ssd and cheaper still. some of the reviews of the shipper complain about long ship times
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 4:07 pm to Gusoline
Yeah don't ever go dead platform unless it's more performance in this case it isn't.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 4:21 pm to UltimateHog
Tha5 makes sense but i still have no idea what dead platform means and neither does google.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 5:06 pm to Gusoline
It just means you can't upgrade the CPU in the future
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:05 pm to Gusoline
Price parts on pc parts picker. Do some searches for pricing if a part doesn't have a price. You will get a ball park on what it would cost.
I've been in I.T. for 18 years and built 5 pc's for myself or family. I buy custom pre-builts now. Its not fun anymore. It's work after I get off work.
The PC I just ordered was $2310 from Ibuypower. I priced all the parts and it came out right at $2000. So, it cost an extra 300 bucks. It's worth it to me.
I've been in I.T. for 18 years and built 5 pc's for myself or family. I buy custom pre-builts now. Its not fun anymore. It's work after I get off work.
The PC I just ordered was $2310 from Ibuypower. I priced all the parts and it came out right at $2000. So, it cost an extra 300 bucks. It's worth it to me.
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:11 pm to Gusoline
If you want to go the pre-built route, I recommend Xidax if money isn't the issue. They are more expensive than other builders, but they are top notch and have a lifetime hardware warranty on desktops.
Myself, my son in law, and my last place of employment have purchased pc's from them. All have been immaculately done. One of the PC's at work did have a graphics card go out. I got with xidax and they had me ship them the card. They sent back a new one.
Myself, my son in law, and my last place of employment have purchased pc's from them. All have been immaculately done. One of the PC's at work did have a graphics card go out. I got with xidax and they had me ship them the card. They sent back a new one.
Posted on 10/21/23 at 11:23 pm to Gusoline
Also that build you posted has 4300 mhz ram.... go to a custom builder site and customize it. If your getting the I9 and a 4090 get at 6000 mhz ram.
Also check the read/write on the ssd. I got the Samsung 990 pro. It's fast as hell.
The ready to ship pc's often skimp on a few parts to keep the price down. Pick the parts yourself. They make it simple and easy on their websites.
Also check the read/write on the ssd. I got the Samsung 990 pro. It's fast as hell.
The ready to ship pc's often skimp on a few parts to keep the price down. Pick the parts yourself. They make it simple and easy on their websites.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 12:01 am to King
AMD Ryzen 8000 “Zen 5” Specs and Release Date
quote:
The Zen 5 core has been upgraded on all fronts, including the frontend, backend, memory sub-system, and cache. The L1I data cache, an input cache that sits next to the decoder and branch predictor, has been increased from 32KB to 48KB 12-way. Similarly, the Data Translation Buffer (DTLB) and the PWC have also been expanded for faster address translation.
From earlier leaks, we know that AMD’s Ryzen 8000 processors will use an upgraded core interconnect known as Ladder L3 Fabric (originally leaked by AdoredTV). This is related to the 3rd Gen Infinity Fabric, which will act as the die interconnects for AMD’s next generation of chiplet products.
The Ryzen 8000 CPUs are expected to land in mid to late 2024. You can expect a summer or fall launch.
Posted on 10/23/23 at 1:47 am to King
i made a build on part picker. had everything set how i wanted. decided to just order the last one i linked to get 3 year insurance for 4260 after tax. without insurance it was same price as the one i built, but the build had double 990 pros ( i have one in current rig and love its speed)
i may have second thoughts but i will be happier with the insurance and not having to worry about hoping everything fits perfectly or wiring.
i may have second thoughts but i will be happier with the insurance and not having to worry about hoping everything fits perfectly or wiring.
This post was edited on 10/23/23 at 5:03 am
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