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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:59 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Posted on 11/30/20 at 3:59 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
No GN was seeing double digit gains last night across the 3 AIB's he was OCing. Absolutely obliterated any Nvidia offering but the 30xx series basically can't OC so.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 4:00 pm
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Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:08 pm to Carson123987
Can someone do cliffs on that video? Working and can’t look at it 
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:15 pm to Dixie Normus
text version - LINK
TLDR from reddit
TLDR from reddit
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TL;DR:
This my first time doing one so apologies in advance.
The RX 6800 and 6800 XT are legitimate competition for the RTX 30 series cards in rasterization performance and has massively improved power efficiency as compared to previous AMD products.
16 VRAM was a waste. They should've gone for 8 GB.
Nvidia still has a massive, commanding lead in RT performance. AMD really needs close the gap because as the industry transitions more and more to RT the justifications to run rasterization benchmarks become fewer and fewer.
DLSS is still a killer feature that AMD currently can't match and, like with RT performance, they really need to make up some ground here.
Compares the 6800 and XT to the Vega 56 and 64. Gets "Vega 56 vibes" from 6800. Says this is more of a "watch this space" release, not a "Ryzen moment".
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:20 pm to Dixie Normus
Under 4K resolution, 6800XT wins over 3080/3070 in most games. 4K goes to 3080 but it hits 10GB VRAM limit quickly so not good for 4K either, but 20GB variant back in the rumor mill lately for January at $999. AMD runs cooler with less power across the board thanks to the better chip and process.
Ray tracing Nvidia has a lead since it's been out for 2 years, but in a few months time will be about the same once the consoles start using it and we see that optimization advantage.
6900XT on the 8th will have less stock than 6800 had so good luck, monster card though.
All in all? Huge win for AMD, and the stock has hit over $92/s again.
Ray tracing Nvidia has a lead since it's been out for 2 years, but in a few months time will be about the same once the consoles start using it and we see that optimization advantage.
6900XT on the 8th will have less stock than 6800 had so good luck, monster card though.
All in all? Huge win for AMD, and the stock has hit over $92/s again.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:39 pm to UltimateHog
Gonna have garbage drivers probably
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:40 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
I doubt it, since the architecture is now shared with the consoles for PC and console development. I guess they could crash like crazy and then be forced to downclock the cards like Nvidia.
Likely to see better drivers on AMD going forward actually, console development matters!
Likely to see better drivers on AMD going forward actually, console development matters!
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:41 pm to UltimateHog
Isn’t the ps5 having issues?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:42 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
No clue, no interest in the consoles.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 5:58 pm to UltimateHog
But aren’t they amd backed?
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:01 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
No, they are Sony and Microsoft backed.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:06 pm to UltimateHog
So why are you confident in the drivers?
One X had AMD
One X had AMD
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:12 pm to UltimateHog
The replies in this thread now have me somewhat glad that I’m just buying Carson’s prebuilt with the 3800X and plugging my 1070 in until I can decide what to do on processor/gpu.
Let’s me wait to see how intel does on next gen and let the dust settle on the new cards because all I’ve been getting from this thread and reviews is that “reasonable minds could differ” on the winner
Let’s me wait to see how intel does on next gen and let the dust settle on the new cards because all I’ve been getting from this thread and reviews is that “reasonable minds could differ” on the winner
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:28 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
They all have AMD. PS4 XBO PS5 XSX. Console optimization is superior and that's why still today most PC games that are multiplats are ports of the console version.
So for PC it's great that they're on the same architecture with simplified development between them. Xbox is bringing over a ton of games to PC with Game Pass PC and even without it. Sony is starting to bring a few with more on the way. This will help greatly.
HZD ran like absolute dog shite on PC for sooo long. Hopefully shite like that doesn't happen in the future now.
So for PC it's great that they're on the same architecture with simplified development between them. Xbox is bringing over a ton of games to PC with Game Pass PC and even without it. Sony is starting to bring a few with more on the way. This will help greatly.
HZD ran like absolute dog shite on PC for sooo long. Hopefully shite like that doesn't happen in the future now.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:49 pm to UltimateHog
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Under 4K resolution, 6800XT wins over 3080/3070 in most games. 4K goes to 3080 but it hits 10GB VRAM limit quickly so not good for 4K either, but 20GB variant back in the rumor mill lately for January at $999. AMD runs cooler with less power across the board thanks to the better chip and process.
Testing I have seen on real world rigs show them trading wins at 1440p for the most part. VR wise the 3080 is winning most. This generation I would go green with DLSS and RTX, I don’t see the consoles gaining them much ground this gen. I’d give red another generation unless the difference in price matters a lot to you. Red definitely made up the ground, hopefully this makes green push their design more and compete price wise in the future. It’s a good year for new PCs if we had the stock to actually build them lol. Still waiting on that 5900x or 5950x for my 3090.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 6:55 pm to Dam Guide
All depends on what you want to do.
6800XT is more powerful than the 3080 and overclocks have set a new standard in PC gaming with 2.6GHz+ OC averages on air, with the 6900XT about to break the record all over again next week. All of this on a better chip and a better process doing so more efficiently at less power.
So it just depends really. I love to tinker, I take apart my CPU's and GPU's and repaste before I even install them. I want to OC and squeeze every little ounce out of it and benchmark the shite out of it.
Since the 30xx basically can't OC/has little to no headroom, and once OC vs OC is taken into account the AMD cards win in just about every game in the 30 game test and even beats the 3090 as well, I'll get it. Gonna try for 6900XT but 0.1% chance I can get one.
I'm fine with chilling into January though until I can get one at MSRP which is cheaper than the less performing for me, 3080 offering.
DLSS is great, no doubt. It will be replaced by AMD's offering that is open source and heading to consoles, but that is still months away.
6800XT is more powerful than the 3080 and overclocks have set a new standard in PC gaming with 2.6GHz+ OC averages on air, with the 6900XT about to break the record all over again next week. All of this on a better chip and a better process doing so more efficiently at less power.
So it just depends really. I love to tinker, I take apart my CPU's and GPU's and repaste before I even install them. I want to OC and squeeze every little ounce out of it and benchmark the shite out of it.
Since the 30xx basically can't OC/has little to no headroom, and once OC vs OC is taken into account the AMD cards win in just about every game in the 30 game test and even beats the 3090 as well, I'll get it. Gonna try for 6900XT but 0.1% chance I can get one.
I'm fine with chilling into January though until I can get one at MSRP which is cheaper than the less performing for me, 3080 offering.
DLSS is great, no doubt. It will be replaced by AMD's offering that is open source and heading to consoles, but that is still months away.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:09 pm to UltimateHog
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Since the 30xx basically can't OC/has little to no headroom, and once OC vs OC is taken into account the AMD cards win in just about every game in the 30 game test and even beats the 3090 as well, I'll get it. Gonna try for 6900XT but 0.1% chance I can get one.
Just not what I have been seeing from friends rigs. They are trading blows. Both are great cards. DLSS and RTX are just too nice right now. If I had to stick with a card for more than a gen, this would be a much tougher call for me though.
3090 isn’t a surprise, if you are buying it for gaming you are doing things wrong. It’s a rendering monster. Gonna save me a lot of time if I can ever get a damn cpu.
Posted on 11/30/20 at 7:13 pm to Dam Guide
If you're someone upgrading yearly or so regardless, then yeah definitely matters a lot less. Especially with how hard it is to get one, just keeps getting closer and closer to new ones next year.
11 game OC vs OC test 6800XT wins almost all of them, and most by double digit FPS. AMD also has better frametime performance in most.
That OC ability is just too strong. 2.6GHz is nutty, waterblocked you can do 2.8GHz, 6900XT 3GHz. All this while Nvidia tops at 2.1GHz max. The test above AMD is hitting 2.6 and Nvidia 2.05. That is a very large clock difference. Just like up until this year Intel at 5GHz still led in gaming over AMD Ryzen largely due to the 4.2GHz clocks and little OC room from Ryzen.
The 6900XT at it's 2.8-3GHz OC range is going to be absolutely bonkers which is why I'm now considering it worth the $999 and going to try and get one by some miracle.
11 game OC vs OC test 6800XT wins almost all of them, and most by double digit FPS. AMD also has better frametime performance in most.
That OC ability is just too strong. 2.6GHz is nutty, waterblocked you can do 2.8GHz, 6900XT 3GHz. All this while Nvidia tops at 2.1GHz max. The test above AMD is hitting 2.6 and Nvidia 2.05. That is a very large clock difference. Just like up until this year Intel at 5GHz still led in gaming over AMD Ryzen largely due to the 4.2GHz clocks and little OC room from Ryzen.
The 6900XT at it's 2.8-3GHz OC range is going to be absolutely bonkers which is why I'm now considering it worth the $999 and going to try and get one by some miracle.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 10:57 pm to GalvoAg
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Or you can wait until you get what you want? It’s not like the 6800/6800xt are in stock anyways. Also it looks like all the AMD AIBs are directly inflating their prices so it’s more for a 6800xt than it is for a 3080 if you can get your hands on one.
AMD paper pricing on 6800xt
From strictly non-RT related performance, AMD has a very compelling product right now.
The pricing is all fricked though for several reasons. AMD is using TSMC for their PS5/Xbox chips, Ryzen 5000 7 NM chips, and now their RX 5000/6000 series GPUs.
I still think either AMD or Nvidia right now gets you great performance one way or the other, but if you need RT, definitely go Nvidia.
EDIT: Like I said, its really, whatever you can get your hands on.
The entire PC market right now is fricked because so many people are still WFH or quarantined, so processors and GPU prices are just so messed up.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 11/30/20 at 11:02 pm to boXerrumble
Microcenters are starting to hold stock of the new CPU's for awhile. Stock is catching up pretty quick there which is normal for CPU's, whole lot more of them.
If you want a 5800X you can find them. 5900X different story still.
If you want a 5800X you can find them. 5900X different story still.
This post was edited on 11/30/20 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 12/1/20 at 4:18 am to UltimateHog
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