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LSU Coyote
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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
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For people looking for a "gaming" switch, sure, but I see far more people referring blues across all the communities

Agree.

It's been this way for some time. We all got our reds in 2012-2013 because it was "pro". Everyone moved on to blues or browns. I personally rather the feel of browns.
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I don't think so. I rarely see Blues.

Like where? Twitch Nerds? OCN user account signatures? Just wondering. The feel from the boards for a few years now is that reds are awesome with the most "pro" actuation. But it is sort of like staying out on the beach too long. The sound along with impact fractures from slamming a key with zero actuation resistance just isn't always comfortable.

It is also misleading with sale figures. At one time they just had reds for the most part. So they kind of threw them on everything.
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How do you guys build these PCs at such high prices? What do y’all do for living? Married? Kids? What kind of job? Credit? Second mortgage?



What's considered high? Feel like $1500-ish is pretty normal for a true a highest mid-range end gaming build with say RTX 2070. High end going closer to $1750-$2000 range (RTX 2080). Very high end $2400-$3000 range (RTX 2080 Ti). Could build even cheaper using cheapest components but kind of ramped up price assuming using higher end components overall with each graphics upgrade there.

Could get away with a $1000 RTX 2060 build pretty easily too with very solid components.
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I'll get something much better than anything currently available when the time comes that my i5 is obsolete enough to replace.


Yea I know. Just giving my rationale as to why I didn't wait another month and a half or two months for zen2


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What's considered high? Feel like $1500-ish is pretty normal for a true a highest mid-range end gaming build with say RTX 2070.

to me, that's a lot of freaking money. and it seems like y'all go through these components pretty quickly when upgrading. especially each year when the latest and greatest new item comes out. i get the impression that you guys are building 2-3 computers a year.


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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Have a job that makes decent money and buy stuff for value/second hand.

I think the last new parts I bought were my 1tb 850 Evo for $170 (was a steal at the time) and a 1tb 660p a month or two ago. Eh and I usually buy most of my coolers new since they're cheap

My main desktop (likely upgrading to an 8700 soon)
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CPU: Intel - Xeon E5-1650 V2 3.5 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($95.00)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Shadow Rock LP 51.4 CFM CPU Cooler ($49.14)
Memory: Kingston - 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($10.00)
Memory: Kingston - 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($10.00)
Memory: Kingston - 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($10.00)
Memory: Kingston - 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($10.00)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($0.00)
Video Card: Zotac - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING AMP Video Card ($661.61)
Case: Inwin - 303C ATX Mid Tower Case ($20.00)
Power Supply: Thermaltake - SMART 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($31.88)
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 PRO RGB 47.3 CFM 120 mm Fan ($5.00)
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 PRO RGB 47.3 CFM 120 mm Fan ($5.00)
Case Fan: Corsair - ML120 PRO RGB 47.3 CFM 120 mm Fan ($5.00)
Custom: Chinese X79T ATX Motherboard ($88.00)
Total: $1000.63


My HTPC:
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CPU: Intel - Core i5-8500T 2.1 GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor ($0.00)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($20.00)
Motherboard: ASRock - Z370M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($50.00)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($50.00)
Storage: Intel - 660p Series 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($90.00)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB Video Card ($150.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Node 202 HTPC Case ($60.00)
Power Supply: Corsair - SF 450 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply ($40.00)
Total: $460.00


And my white box server:
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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor ($86.81)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($34.72)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($17.36)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($17.36)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($17.36)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($17.36)
Storage: HP - EX900 250 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (Purchased For $0.00)
Power Supply: Corsair - Builder 600 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($25.00)
Case: Rosewill Server Chassis - RSV-R4000 ($35.00)
Total: $250.97



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How do you guys build these PCs at such high prices? What do y’all do for living? Married? Kids? What kind of job? Credit? Second mortgage?


I make decent money, and I'm currently single

EDIT: I'm still using my 1080p i5-6500 Skylake build from 3 years ago. I built that for about $1100. I'm still using an old AMD R9 380 graphics card
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LSU Coyote
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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
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What's considered high? Feel like $1500-ish is pretty normal for a true a highest mid-range end gaming build with say RTX 2070. High end going closer to $1750-$2000 range (RTX 2080). Very high end $2400-$3000 range (RTX 2080 Ti). Could build even cheaper using cheapest components but kind of ramped up price assuming using higher end components overall with each graphics upgrade there.

It gets old spending $2.5K just on cards and blocks every 1.5yrs.

Its a hobby for most, like owning a boat.


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UltimateHog
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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Yup, if you're a competitive gamer you have reds.

As for sound, no longer an issue with Cherry making silent reds. Funny how they only make them for reds too, since ya know they are the most popular.

If you are a dirty casual I could see Browns, blues hell no.


Hu_Flung_Pu
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Yup, if you're a competitive gamer you have reds.


Nah, it's mainly preference. Sure, there's technically an advantage to reds but I would say most players like the tactile feel of Blues or Browns.

I would also say that internet forum warriors harp on the "advantage" of reds and recommend them to everybody while the pros don't give a shite and do what they like. It's the same for mice.


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I don't think so, definitely makes a difference for competitive gaming where every millisecond counts.

This why you see reds for 95% of those players.

Casual gaming sure, preference and who cares it doesn't matter at all.


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Hu_Flung_Pu
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It's all preference. The "advantage" you think you have with reds are negligible. If they were such an advantage and needed, then every pro would have mx silvers and not reds.
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LSU Coyote
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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
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It's all preference. The "advantage" you think you have with reds are negligible

I also found myself feeling sloppy. I personally need more feedback in a switch. Browns give that to me with resistance at nearly the same actuation time.


UltimateHog
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A lot do use speed silvers actually, Shroud and Ninja for example use them.
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Hu_Flung_Pu
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I know but my argument is that it's preference and not Reds are the end all be all to competitive.

If it were all about performance, everyone would have silvers with a finalmouse.


UltimateHog
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Well that's why I said competitive gaming where that small little advantage can matter. Hence why you see almost exclusively reds/silvers.


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Hu_Flung_Pu
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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
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found myself feeling sloppy. I personally need more feedback in a switch


Same. I felt that way with silvers.

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Browns give that to me with resistance at nearly the same actuation time.


I'm browns too. Actuation force is the same as Reds with 45g. Just have a bump to them.
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LSU Coyote
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I would also say that internet forum warriors harp on the "advantage" of reds and recommend them to everybody while the pros don't give a shite and do what they like. It's the same for mice

My only issue with you over the years concerns hype. Things that are the loudest (no pun) aren't always best or the collective opinion of a group.

I find the cult of Cherry MX Red Mages are just set on no other substitute for different reasons. They just drown out everything else.

Fyi, M.2 is a form factor. Like say ATX for MOBOs. It describes the physical spec. In this case to ensure compliance of a physical connection for separate system interface to exchange.

It has no relation to performance, that happens with the bus or interface and logic. SATA is an interface, pCIe is an interface. Then a logic controller to know what to do with the bits coming over the interface. So recently we moved mainly for protocols like IDE and AHCI to NVMe becoming common. There are other layers like MLC, etc but yeah.

I just see this posted all over the internet so much talking about performance. From major ppl too.
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PCIe 4.0 m.2 SSD

That doesn't tell me anything but it is a 10 lane highway compared to a 2 lane highway. The CPU will be capable but storage wise it says nothing. I know nothing about the controller, protocol much less the arrangement within the cell. (How it is layered)

I still think it is some type of RAMdisk thing. Still impressive. Ppl that hardware is nothing without software. We all ful into the trap of big numbers.

It's huge news. Love it, but they the hardware had always been there for years to do something like PS done. They finally utilized the hardware. Its an awesome sounding feature and I can't wait to use.


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We don't know if it's an m.2 drive or not, everyone is just assuming it is because if you can free up that much space in a console why wouldn't you? No reason to use a sata drive. Don't know anything about the custom controller yet either.

Better cooling, airflow and heat dissipation with that extra space seems logical.

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“The raw read speed is important,” says Cerny, “but so are the details of the I/O mechanisms and the software stack that we put on top of them. I got a PlayStation 4 Pro and then I put in a SSD that cost as much as the PlayStation 4 Pro—it might be one-third faster.”

So it’s not just a question of simply slapping an SSD into the system, Sony is claiming that it, presumably alongside AMD, has developed the input/output system to offer something over and above what you’d get from simply dropping some NAND flash into a console.
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LSU Coyote
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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
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I'm browns too. Actuation force is the same as Reds with 45g. Just have a bump to them.

Maybe because I rest my figures on the keys or something.

I was just all over the place with reds. IDK if became faster or not. Yes I could learn and adjust but the noise just being too much. By then Browns became used a lot more on boards.


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Microsoft is bringing more games to Steam, says 'We believe you should have choice in where you buy your PC games'

The Microsoft Store will also begin accepting Win32 games, not just the more restrictive Universal Windows Apps.
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