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Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:23 pm to
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:23 pm to
How long until plates be available? The gaming world going away from multi cards has me thinking about this. I am hog hunting this weekend but then I will need to do some research.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:28 pm to
SLI would be ridiculous @ $6k. I'm wondering if NV Link will allow near perfect scaling though. Can't wait to see benchmarks in SLI. Maybe those 4k 144hz monitors coming soon will allow a pair of Titan V's to really shine.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:28 pm to
EK and all get samples of the PCB design months in advance. So usually they test 1-2 weeks after launch and ship.

Also this is not the full chip. Garbage. This may not even be a gaming card due to low clocks and not being branded as such. We might see another release around February and May of 2018.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:29 pm to
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SLI would be ridiculous @ $6k. ? I'm wondering if NV Link will allow near perfect scaling though. Can't wait to see benchmarks in SLI. Maybe those 4k 144hz monitors coming soon will allow a pair of Titan V's to really shine

What does throughput have to do with scaling?

This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 11:30 pm
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:51 pm to
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What does throughput have to do with scaling?


Right. Even with the higher throughput of NVLink we'd still be at the mercy of game devs when it comes to multi gpu scaling.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:58 pm to
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Right. Even with the higher throughput of NVLink we'd still be at the mercy of game devs when it comes to multi gpu scaling.

Yeah current setup and others here probably feel the same about not feeling outdated. I have felt out dated even with the latest cards but this is not one of them. Software didn't catch up, but it is always a swing from hardware to software being the bottleneck.

..I want to explain NVLink and why we won't see it in gaming anytime but going back to bed.

2 x TITAN X(Pascals) w/ EK Blocks and Plates for sale @ $850/ea

Edt: Still not certain this card will get gaming drivers. Hopefully something confirms it by morning.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 12:01 am
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:17 am to
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want to explain NVLink and why we won't see it in gaming anytime but going back to bed.


Please do when you have time.

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2 x TITAN X(Pascals) w/ EK Blocks and Plates for sale @ $850/ea


Looks like somebody may be soon purchasing a new shiny gold Titan V.

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Still not certain this card will get gaming drivers. Hopefully something confirms it by morning.


Yep. Looks like the Titan V is going back to its roots of being more of a prosumer card with all those tensor cores wasting space on that huge die and with its lower clocks. Maybe we'll see a release of another Titan geared for gaming on that huge 815mm die with higher clocks and without the Tensors and less FP64. Still would be stupid expensive due to the huge die though.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 12:47 am
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 3:05 am to
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Yep. Looks like the Titan V is going back to its roots of being more of a prosumer card with all those tensor cores wasting space on that huge die and with its lower clocks. Maybe we'll see a release of another Titan geared for gaming on that huge 815mm die with higher clocks and without the Tensors and less FP64. Still would be stupid expensive due to the huge die though.

This is not totally 100% true. The only reason we received a "TITAN" back in 2013 was because Oak Ridge was finished in Tennesse. The full chip Kepler was already contracted by the US Government and nVidia needed to supply enough cards to support Oak Ridge until completion. That is the other reason we got a cut down Kepler with the GTX 680. That filled in the spot to compete with the 7970 until nVidia's obligation was meant.

In December 2012 we started hearing rumors that maybe nVidia meant release the full Kepler since Oak Ridge was finished. Sure enough, we got the TITAN named obviously after the TITAN supercompter at Oak Ridge in February 2013. These are chips which didn't make grade to be a Quandro in that supercomputer. I stayed up all night during the OG TITAN launch and going to work on no sleep because I tried to grab a TITAN.

So the TITAN name never really was just premium from jumpstreet. It has always been a weird afterthought from nVidia which they seem to fckk up and confuse consumers with said name. Since this seems likely to NOT be a gaming card like many are guessing, they are just fckking up the TITAN naming even more for consumers.

As far the ridiculous size. At 815mm you might get 50chips from TSMC's process per wafer. Think the limit of their fab's process is even around 850mm. So in terms of good yields at first run you might get only 25 or so per wafer. That can lead to some of these crazy high cost. Soooooo... my guess is the first set of GAMING version GTX TITAN Vs will be V100s with fckked up Tensor Cores and those burned out. Think this is highly likely.
Posted by grif82
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:02 am to
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As far the ridiculous size. At 815mm you might get 50chips from TSMC's process per wafer. Think the limit of their fab's process is even around 850mm. So in terms of good yields at first run you might get only 25 or so per wafer. That can lead to some of these crazy high cost. Soooooo... my guess is the first set of GAMING version GTX TITAN Vs will be V100s with fckked up Tensor Cores and those burned out. Think this is highly likely.


Right. Something (Titan Xv or 1180ti) based on a 600-650mm die (gv102) with much higher clocks and no tensor cores would be much better suited for gaming. Maybe even include 12-16gb of GDDR6 instead of HBM2 to keep cost down even further.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:09 am to
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Right. Something (Titan Xv or 1180ti) based on a 600-650mm die (gv102) with much higher clocks and no tensor cores would be much better suited for gaming. Maybe even include 12-16gb of GDDR6 instead of HBM2 to keep cost down even further.

Well the die would be the same size. They just burned off the Tensor Cores. They won't recut the silicon. One would think.

nvidia lists the TITAN V in GeForce drivers. So it will have proper gaming driver support. Very interesting. The lame part about this insane price is the fact the TITAN V is still gimped. Not the full chip.
Posted by Devious
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:31 am to
Already placed an order for 3. Gonna put one in my tv.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:14 am to
Destiny 2 is a terrible game.

Wtf did they do from 1 to 2? Destiny 1 was incomplete but a foundation was there. With Destiny 2 they fckked everything up. The weird space story is not even present.
Posted by Devious
Elitist
Member since Dec 2010
29145 posts
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:18 am to
Was waiting in this

I never played the first, so I'm okay with what it offers for now. But outside of weekly milestones to boost power level, there isn't much of a reason to play unless you just enjoy the game.

They'll need to make considerable changes for me to play long term.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 12/10/17 at 11:28 am to
They turned a decent borderline great unfinished game into just nothing.

Destiny offers less than Destiny 1. PvP even sucks. Everything sucks about it.
Posted by DannyB
Bagram, Afghanistan
Member since Aug 2010
6141 posts
Posted on 12/11/17 at 1:27 am to
Titan V will not support NVLink or SLI
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 12/11/17 at 2:41 am to
Yeah. But NVLink will never come to the gaming sector. Not anytime soon. It is purely compute.

Not even really a gaming card even though it is getting GeForce drivers. Weird it won't support NVLink. Maybe it is a cost saving feature.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15498 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 10:12 am to
Yey, I wrecked Sodapoppin in VR last night. Got to shake my assets at 22k viewers of his in celebration.
Posted by Matisyeezy
End of the bar, Drunk
Member since Feb 2012
16624 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 6:04 pm to
If you were going to spend less than $600 on a gfx card right now, what would it be?

1070ti? 1080?
Posted by DoUrden
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Member since Oct 2011
25965 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 11:51 pm to
*sigh* why is it so hard to get paid for stuff you sell.

Lesson learned, let shite collect dust or require payment upfront.
This post was edited on 12/12/17 at 11:53 pm
Posted by SpeedyNacho
Member since May 2014
2418 posts
Posted on 12/13/17 at 9:22 am to
GLORYHOLE time?
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