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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:36 pm to bluebarracuda
Posted on 10/11/17 at 2:36 pm to bluebarracuda
I still hope to eventually, I want to do an all white itx system in a white cube case. Ryzen has little options still overall and I think still just the 1 white board blah.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 2:37 pm
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Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:48 pm to UltimateHog
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From what we know, the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti is targeted at the AMD Radeon RX Vega 56. It is designed to comfortably beat the Radeon RX Vega 56 (Price Check), with a slight 7.5% price premium.
TechARP - 1070 Ti
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:00 pm to LSU Coyote
This rumor started a few months back and was shutdown. Still believe it is something else but with the new design it is extremely doable.
WCCFTech - Alleged Intel Slide Shows Upcoming Mobility Processors With AMD “Vega” Graphics Inside
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We have heard rumors that Intel and AMD might be working together to design a processor that utilizes RTG’s graphics technologies. While Intel had previously denied such reports, a slide has leaked out that says otherwise.
WCCFTech - Alleged Intel Slide Shows Upcoming Mobility Processors With AMD “Vega” Graphics Inside
Posted on 10/12/17 at 7:39 am to LSU Coyote
But can it be flashed to a 1080? 
Vega FineWine is starting to pop off in these new titles, even the 56 is beating the 1080 in Shadow of War and Forza 7 and will in Wolfenstein as well. I guess this new tech being used called AMD Rapid Packed Math is quite good, Wolfenstein is using it as well. Who knew driver maturity with a ton of new tech in a new arch mattered?
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Vega FineWine is starting to pop off in these new titles, even the 56 is beating the 1080 in Shadow of War and Forza 7 and will in Wolfenstein as well. I guess this new tech being used called AMD Rapid Packed Math is quite good, Wolfenstein is using it as well. Who knew driver maturity with a ton of new tech in a new arch mattered?
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The results highlight both how memory-intensive the game is, and just how well AMD’s latest Vega GPU architecture can deal with that sort of title. For the most part the AMD RX Vega 64 fell behind the Nvidia’s GTX 1080 in our gaming benchmarks when we first reviewed it - even in the high-res textured world of the game's prequel, Shadow of Mordor.
But with Shadow of War the Vega 64 is consistently out in front of the GeForce card. The difference is just 9% at 1080p and 1440p, but it stretches to a hefty 21% when the resolution is pushed up to 4K. Interestingly, it’s at 4K where the AMD RX Vega 56 also pulls away from the GTX 1080.
It’s setting an intriguing precedent for Vega’s future performance, and that could well be compounded by the imminent launch of Wolfenstein 2, with its use of the proprietary AMD Rapid Packed Math tech. That classic AMD 'fine wine' approach to their graphics architecture delivering improved performance over time was consistently pointed to during the Vega launch, and it seems to be happening.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/12/17 at 8:02 am to UltimateHog
Western Digital Stuns Storage Industry with MAMR Breakthrough for Next-Gen HDDs
CODEX cracks Shadow of War's Denuvo DRM in a day
CODEX cracks Shadow of War's Denuvo DRM in a day
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 10/12/17 at 11:40 am to UltimateHog
I have been following this thread about the new Coffee Lake processors and I'm conflicted.
I was ready to purchase a couple weeks ago, and I was going to go with the Ryzen 5 1600 with a GTX1080.
Now that the new coffee lake i5s are out, I have a decision to make: Sacrifice some of the bells and whistles that I wanted to include this time that I didn't last time - fancy case etc. to make budget room for the new processor, or stick with my current Ryzen build and get what I want.
I know you guys really cant help with this decision, but in yall's opinion, would the new processor be a HUGE upgrade over the previous Ryzen 5 for me to swallow my pride and opt for performance over the aesthetics that I wanted?
ETA LINK to my original build.
I was ready to purchase a couple weeks ago, and I was going to go with the Ryzen 5 1600 with a GTX1080.
Now that the new coffee lake i5s are out, I have a decision to make: Sacrifice some of the bells and whistles that I wanted to include this time that I didn't last time - fancy case etc. to make budget room for the new processor, or stick with my current Ryzen build and get what I want.
I know you guys really cant help with this decision, but in yall's opinion, would the new processor be a HUGE upgrade over the previous Ryzen 5 for me to swallow my pride and opt for performance over the aesthetics that I wanted?
ETA LINK to my original build.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 10/12/17 at 12:00 pm to SBvital
So basically 8600K build vs 1600 build?
The 8600K is $259, 1600 is $200. 8600K still OC's to 5GHz on pretty much any mobo with good air or aio cooler. It's quite a bit better in gaming, and yeah it has 6 threads versus 12 it really doesn't appear to make much of a difference.
8600K has a 42% higher single core speed, 43% quad core while the 1600 wins the multi core speed by 13% (overclock vs overclock that multi core drops to 4%).
Gaming performance also goes to the 8600K with the much higher single and quad core speeds, especially when OC'd.
On the AMD side you'd save about $100 between the CPU and Mobo to go 1600. The AM4 platform will support Zen+ next year as well as Zen 2 if you don't want to swap mobos again any time soon (Z370 will be Coffee Lake only).
The 8600K is $259, 1600 is $200. 8600K still OC's to 5GHz on pretty much any mobo with good air or aio cooler. It's quite a bit better in gaming, and yeah it has 6 threads versus 12 it really doesn't appear to make much of a difference.
8600K has a 42% higher single core speed, 43% quad core while the 1600 wins the multi core speed by 13% (overclock vs overclock that multi core drops to 4%).
Gaming performance also goes to the 8600K with the much higher single and quad core speeds, especially when OC'd.
On the AMD side you'd save about $100 between the CPU and Mobo to go 1600. The AM4 platform will support Zen+ next year as well as Zen 2 if you don't want to swap mobos again any time soon (Z370 will be Coffee Lake only).
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:34 pm to UltimateHog
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The 8600K is $259, 1600 is $200.
I know things will probably change, but I can get a 1600 for $195 and the 8600k is listed at $280 from Newegg (which they are out of stock it seems).
I want a quality machine to play the games I play and I want it to last. If that means giving up the Corsair 570x case (That I really want) then fine. I'm just trying to weigh the pros and cons to each of the builds. Hell, I may even save up a tad longer to get the i5/mobo combo with the case I want and just extend my budget.
I've also never owned an AMD processor. I have had two major pcs (built one) in the past 10-13 years and both have been intel, so I'm kind of weary of a switch anyway. I was going to give the Ryzen a shot though.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:41 pm to SBvital
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I know things will probably change, but I can get a 1600 for $195 and the 8600k is listed at $280 from Newegg (which they are out of stock it seems).
Yeah they are marked up and hard to come by, this is only a paper launch, meaning very very few were actually available at launch. I got in my backorder from NewEgg an hour after launch for an 8700K and it's 15-20 days estimated. I paid $379 and now most places are charging at or over $400 with delivery in late November.
So it's another thing to consider if you are wanting to buy immediately, going to be hard to even find an 8600K especially at MSRP.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 1:49 pm to UltimateHog
The CPU you choose makes more sense in what you're actually doing.
60fps gaming: r1600 and i5-8400 are more than enough. Depending on how many PCIE lanes you think you need.
The higher frame rates demand better cpus. My 4770k@4ghz only bottlenecked my 1080ti in one game: No Man's Sky @ 1440P only at atmosphere entry. It was @120 fps while my gpu was only @ 80%. Switching to SMAA x4 eliminated my cpu bottleneck.
Production work: It all depends on what you're trying to run. There are benchmarks to help you decide.
Edit: quoted wrong person, too lazy to switch to right one.
60fps gaming: r1600 and i5-8400 are more than enough. Depending on how many PCIE lanes you think you need.
The higher frame rates demand better cpus. My 4770k@4ghz only bottlenecked my 1080ti in one game: No Man's Sky @ 1440P only at atmosphere entry. It was @120 fps while my gpu was only @ 80%. Switching to SMAA x4 eliminated my cpu bottleneck.
Production work: It all depends on what you're trying to run. There are benchmarks to help you decide.
Edit: quoted wrong person, too lazy to switch to right one.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:47 pm to UltimateHog
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So it's another thing to consider if you are wanting to buy immediately, going to be hard to even find an 8600K especially at MSRP.
Yeah, I see what you're saying. If it turns out to only be a $100 difference in the next couple months going into the new year, I may just go ahead and do that. If they are still hard to find/marked up, I may just settle with the Ryzen build and just enjoy it.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:51 pm to hoojy
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The CPU you choose makes more sense in what you're actually doing.
This pc will be for pretty much just gaming. I play a lot of WoW, League of Legends, and I plan on picking up CoD WW2 and MAYBE the new Battlefront.
My current pc runs a game like WoW with decent amount of addons pretty well, 80-90FPS, normally, but when I get into large fights it bogs down to 40-45.. which is a pretty big jump.
My current one works fine but it's about 6-7 years old. Just ready for an upgrade. No rush to get this one except I'm just anxious/excited to get it built.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 2:53 pm to SBvital
What's your view distance? Anything over 8 is no beuno from what I've read.
My cpu struggled with that as well. What's your current cpu?
My cpu struggled with that as well. What's your current cpu?
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:20 pm to hoojy
I think I play on 7/10 total settings, whatever the view distance is on that setting
I currently have an i5 2500k and a gtx 970. Original chip, upgraded GPU 2 years ago now.
I currently have an i5 2500k and a gtx 970. Original chip, upgraded GPU 2 years ago now.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:26 pm to SBvital
Was talking about draw settings. My bad, should've been clearer.
Either would be a good upgrade, but if gaming only go for the 8400 or the 8600k if you wanna oc. Those games won't take many cores.
Either would be a good upgrade, but if gaming only go for the 8400 or the 8600k if you wanna oc. Those games won't take many cores.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:32 pm to hoojy
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Either would be a good upgrade, but if gaming only go for the 8400 or the 8600k if you wanna oc. Those games won't take many cores.
Gotcha, thanks for the advice.
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:40 pm to SBvital
The k version will probably require an aftermarket cooler. Forgot to mention that.
Don't think they ship stock coolers with those anymore.
Don't think they ship stock coolers with those anymore.
This post was edited on 10/12/17 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/12/17 at 3:47 pm to hoojy
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Don't think they ship stock coolers with those anymore
From what I've read, no, they do not. I planned on picking up a lower budget water cooler to go with the build.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:50 am to SBvital
So I just had a prostitute come and proposition me at the bar of my hotel in Vegas. First time that has ever happened to me. She was good looking FWIW.
Posted on 10/17/17 at 11:35 pm to stout
So what steps are needed to combat KRAK WPA2 hack if any?
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