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Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:21 am to
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 10:21 am to
Hope this is true. Coffee Lake pricing rumors.

Keep in mind that prices are in Canadian Dollars on the chart in the link.

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The Core i7-8700K is rumored to be a six-core / 12-thread CPU with a 3.8GHz base clock and a 4.7GHz maximum Turbo (4.3GHz all-core boost) for ~$380. The Core i7 8700 will sell for $320 with a 3.2GHz base clock, 4.6GHz maximum Turbo, and the same 4.3GHz all-core boost. The i5-8600K will be a six-core, six-thread CPU with a 4.3GHz max Turbo, 4.1GHz all-core Turbo, and 3.6GHz base clock for $266, while the i5-8400 is a six-core, six-thread chip at $185 with a 2.8GHz base, 4GHz maximum boost, and 3.8GHz all-core boost. All of these chips will also include an integrated GPU, while Ryzen doesn’t, though given that most desktop enthusiasts use discrete GPUs it’s not clear how much this will sway buying decisions.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 11:13 am to
Honestly not interested in the 8700K just because of PCIe lanes. WTF can you do with just 16 of them. Esp since everything is moving towards NVMe which take up x4 per drive.

This is my biggest gripe with Intel. Holding PCIe lanes hostage.
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 11:19 am to
For real?

I haven't kept up much with it due to my stubbornness in keeping my 4770k 'til pcie4 and ddr5.

But ya, that's just gpu only.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56449 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 12:29 pm to
Yeah, its really ghey.

So anyone running SLi/CFx almost gets pushed to the enthusiast platform by default. It makes AMD's Ryzen look really sweet for those needing the extra lanes.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

onestly not interested in the 8700K just because of PCIe lanes. WTF can you do with just 16 of them. Esp since everything is moving towards NVMe which take up x4 per drive.

This is my biggest gripe with Intel. Holding PCIe lanes hostage.


Yeah, it sucks having only 16 for GPU, but adding NVMe isn't a factor. Don't forget about the chipset's PCIe Lanes. Z270 provides 20 gen-3 lanes I believe. Right now, I'm probably losing about 2% performance or less with x8/x8 SLI 1080 Tis if gaming at 4K or otherwise really pushing them to the limit. It's not awful, but it's only going to get worse on PCIe 3.0 unless Intel stops with the less-than 32 lanes bullshite on any CPU under $600.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56449 posts
Posted on 8/23/17 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

Yeah, it sucks having only 16 for GPU, but adding NVMe isn't a factor. Don't forget about the chipset's PCIe Lanes. Z270 provides 20 gen-3 lanes I believe. Right now, I'm probably losing about 2% performance or less with x8/x8 SLI 1080 Tis if gaming at 4K or otherwise really pushing them to the limit. It's not awful, but it's only going to get worse on PCIe 3.0 unless Intel stops with the less-than 32 lanes bullshite on any CPU under $600.

Yeah the problem isn't now but say 2-3yrs from now.

CPU/MOBOs for me and a lot of others are 2-4yr investments. We know x16/x16 should be seeing some use in the coming years. At less I damn hope.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 2:20 pm to
yeah I had my 4770K for 4 years. I should've gone to 2011v3 but decided to put more towards GPU. I'll probably end up again doing a GPU/CPU/Mobo upgrade all at once in the next 2-3 years.
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:37 pm to
BTW Anzello did pay, wanted that to be known.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56449 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:05 am to
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/24/17 at 8:21 am to
quote:

BTW Anzello did pay, wanted that to be known


Glad he came through for you
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 8/24/17 at 5:35 pm to
ASUS is a damn enabler. I'd be worried about the three molex connectors drawing too much power and burning up the tracers, due to user error. Would like to see the enclosure that can house 19 cards and 3 PSUs.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 2:58 pm to
No kidding. My case can handle two power supplies and it's a big arse case.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56449 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 4:36 pm to
Same, but don't think it is meant for a case.

A milk crate maybe?
Posted by DoUrden
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Posted on 8/25/17 at 4:39 pm to
How much heat would that set up fully functioning put off?
Posted by hoojy
In the fridge with my hot sauce.
Member since Nov 2013
11535 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 4:44 pm to
More than what would be acceptable.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56449 posts
Posted on 8/25/17 at 5:27 pm to
quote:

How much heat would that set up fully functioning put off?

Do the math.

1W = roughly 3BTU, then 3500W(3x1500W PSUs) = ???

I know its not exactly this straight forward but might get you close.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56449 posts
Posted on 8/27/17 at 2:00 pm to
Purchased a Surface Pro w/ i5 4GB of RAM yesterday for the SO. She just needs this thing for school. I wanted to purchase the 8GB version but Microsoft/Best Buy have a great deal on the 4GB version right now. You can get it WITH keyboard for $900 while the 8GB version w/ no keyboard is $1300 + $150 for keyboard. The extreme end of use case is 4-6 Chrome tabs opened, 1-2 PDF text books w/ 1000+ pages.

Question before I bring this to the tech board. Is this enough RAM? Testing it yesterday it seems like enough but it does stutter some while strolling through text books. I'm staying under 75% resource allocation, so not sure if going to the 8GB version would help the issue.

Edt: It could be Chrome and Adobe not having smooth scrolling. The problem isn't as noticable on the keyboards track pad but when the Surface is in tablet mode it acts up.
This post was edited on 8/27/17 at 2:05 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69473 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:08 am to
Well I got an order placed right when it went up so here's to hoping!

Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56449 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:13 am to
Not bad! Lucky!
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