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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 6:53 am to UltimateHog
Posted on 7/3/17 at 6:53 am to UltimateHog
Go watch Gamer Nexus's review of the card on YouTube...
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AMD stated themselves that this was a card for developers to create content and also be able to enjoy playing that content on the same system. So yes, this card is also meant for gaming.
AMD also stated to him that there will be game oriented drivers released for this card. Still don't think it will matter.
The Titan Xp is more of a work station card than a true gaming video card as well. That is the reason it is priced so damn high.
If I was in the market for that kind of card I would easily spend the 200 extra dollars on the Titan which blows the Vega FE out of the water by about 35% across the board in gaming. Also, the Titan can use certified drivers for workstation applications that the Vega cannot. Gaming-wise the Vega FE is about 10% more powerful than a Founder's Edition GTX1070 and about 10-15% less powerful than a Founder's Edition GTX1080.
This does not bode well at all for RX Vega, which is built on the same architecture as the Frontier card. Top of the line RX Vega will have same 16GB HBM memory as the FE card. Really the only thing AMD can do is bump up the clock speed on the chip, which going off of this FE card would put AMD right back where they were before...needing way too much power draw to almost be able to compete with Nvidia's cards.
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AMD stated themselves that this was a card for developers to create content and also be able to enjoy playing that content on the same system. So yes, this card is also meant for gaming.
AMD also stated to him that there will be game oriented drivers released for this card. Still don't think it will matter.
The Titan Xp is more of a work station card than a true gaming video card as well. That is the reason it is priced so damn high.
If I was in the market for that kind of card I would easily spend the 200 extra dollars on the Titan which blows the Vega FE out of the water by about 35% across the board in gaming. Also, the Titan can use certified drivers for workstation applications that the Vega cannot. Gaming-wise the Vega FE is about 10% more powerful than a Founder's Edition GTX1070 and about 10-15% less powerful than a Founder's Edition GTX1080.
This does not bode well at all for RX Vega, which is built on the same architecture as the Frontier card. Top of the line RX Vega will have same 16GB HBM memory as the FE card. Really the only thing AMD can do is bump up the clock speed on the chip, which going off of this FE card would put AMD right back where they were before...needing way too much power draw to almost be able to compete with Nvidia's cards.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 7:02 am
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 7:22 am to DannyB
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DannyB
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:55 am to DannyB
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The Titan Xp is more of a work station card than a true gaming video card as well. That is the reason it is priced so damn high
They both are not without DP. It is a cheap dev card so they can have the driver support but not have to pay for DP-FP64.
It is perfect insight on how the upcoming RX VEGA should perform. Yes clocks should be higher but it is great insight.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:56 am to SpeedyNacho
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Would you rather have 1600 over threadripper?
Threadripper is not for gaming. Clocks are way too slow. Would be a pretty big bottleneck.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 8:57 am to stout
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GD dude. When you are a fanboy of something you have proven time and time on here that you are unreasonable about any discussion or criticism about those things.
Edt: It pains me deeply. He is still young, he will learn.
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Not really, you wouldn't know to speak on that beyond AMD (which I've said from the get go I will stick with AMD on the GPU side probably forever) so I will dismiss it..
This is an example of being a fanboy. You will not look at other options. Even if better options come along. You are being brand loyal for some reason, nostalgia or whatever.
It is always comforting to identify with something. You want to tell ppl who you are, I understand. I'm a non-conformist progressive ultra conservative who listens to Crystal Castles, White Ring and Salem on top of hating women(joke).
All good but think of it like this. AMD is releasing their first GPU refresh for gamers in 2yrs and it is not better than nVidia’s mid-range card released a year ago. Why is this not just a little disappointing?
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:39 am to LSU Coyote
But anyway..
What is everyone playing?
What is everyone playing?
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:42 pm to LSU Coyote
Check out Reddit.. tile based rasterization doesn't appear to be currently enabled in the drivers.
IMO This will account for the performance deltas we currently see
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IMO This will account for the performance deltas we currently see
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Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:43 pm to DannyB
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AMD also stated to him that there will be game oriented drivers released for this card. Still don't think it will matter.
Want to stop this discussion because it got me upset over the weekend. It is hard to debate/conversant/learn from each other when one side ignores facts and hobby/industry history.
But.. the game drivers will make a difference. Why would they not? They are not optimized for the game engines.
The thing that won’t change are the 3DMark results. Those drivers are optimized on all platform drivers. This is why we have a great gauge for insight in gaming performance of the RX VEGA.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:44 pm to TigerRagAndrew
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Check out Reddit.. tile based rasterization doesn't appear to be currently enabled in the drivers.
Why would they sale cards with this enabled in the drivers when they are enabled in all other drivers?
Edt: Its not a driver thing but architecture thing, is that correct? I can't read Reddit at work and phone I can't access that site without walking out the building.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:45 pm to LSU Coyote
Because the drivers aren't ready and they have to meet self imposed card release deadline of H1.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:46 pm to LSU Coyote
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This is an example of being a fanboy. You will not look at other options. Even if better options come along. You are being brand loyal for some reason, nostalgia or whatever.
Correct, I don't like Nvidia as a company thus they will never ever get my money. Simple. I also like high end monitors paired with expensive systems so the $200 markup for Gsync is just another no go not something I will do for no reason.
It's not disappointing because we don't know it's performance. Again I don't care about the workstation card running Pro drivers and people trying to guesstimate performance that doesn't interest me when it launches in a matter weeks there is no reason to listen to rumors or guesses just be patient and the concrete info will be out.
Gaming isn't my #1 hobby and definitely not PC gaming wise so I'll always be about price/performance over spending a ton for something with limited use. Benchmarks or e-peen are pointless in my book (not hating on your choices for 1K CPUs 2K GPUs for little use it's your top hobby so spend it and enjoy).
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 7/3/17 at 12:48 pm to TigerRagAndrew
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Because the drivers aren't ready and they have to meet self imposed card release deadline of H1.
Read my next reply.
Is it truly driver or how the architecture renders that task with that engine?
Seems like a lot of confusion in thread.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 1:38 pm to LSU Coyote
All the articles are stating "hopefully AMD enables it in a driver update" but that doesn't mean much. Maybe a vbios update that changes how the pixel engine works? 
I would think it's just something we'll see in RX Vega. It should make the cards a hell of a lot more efficient, too. I'd be surprised to see a driver update accomplish that on an already-released card, but it's a little beyond my scope of knowledge.
I'm cool with waiting for the "for realz these are the gaming cards guys" releases before passing judgement.
I would think it's just something we'll see in RX Vega. It should make the cards a hell of a lot more efficient, too. I'd be surprised to see a driver update accomplish that on an already-released card, but it's a little beyond my scope of knowledge. I'm cool with waiting for the "for realz these are the gaming cards guys" releases before passing judgement.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 1:43 pm to UltimateHog
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Gaming isn't my #1 hobby and definitely not PC gaming wise so I'll always be about price/performance over spending a ton for something with limited use. Benchmarks or e-peen are pointless in my book (not hating on your choices for 1K CPUs 2K GPUs for little use it's your top hobby so spend it and enjoy).
I don't epeen anymore because it looks stupid. Try not to post benches pictures of rig because some ppl take it as showing off.
Gaming/PCs aren't my number one hobby. It is close but wood working and my shop are being the number 1 if I can ever be home enough.
Not an nVidia fanboy. This started as a joke because ppl would say that, I buy whatever the best cards are at the time. I've owned all companies components over the year, Intel/nVidia/AMD/ATi. Don't really hold on to staying true to any company.
If you really cared about business practices you would boycott Intel, which you don't. So please do not use that as an excuse. It is also the market not having any competition because AMD fell flat on their faces with Bulldozer. They ruined the company and it took 4-5yrs to get back. It hurt the industry and most improtantly the consumer.
I would be more pissed at AMD than nVidia.
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Again I don't care about the workstation card running Pro drivers and people trying to guesstimate performance
Its not really a workstation card.. doesn't have DP. Still don't think you understand why the Quadros/Firepros are so expensive, they have DP, FP64.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 1:46 pm to LSU Coyote
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If you really cared about business practices you would boycott Intel, which you don't
Actually I said I'm leaning that way just a few months ago when all the Intel bad press was happening about multiple things hence the decision to consider Ryzen and would use Ryzen in a new build so I'd say that is moreso the case.
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I would be more pissed at AMD than nVidia.
They've made me about $8,000 in a year, we're good. I tried to help you there but your fanboyism wouldn't listen and you insisted AMD was doing the wrong thing still. Woops.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 7/3/17 at 1:48 pm to ILikeLSUToo
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I'm cool with waiting for the "for realz these are the gaming cards guys" releases before passing judgement.
No judgement is passed. Just discussion. It shows us the future insight for RX VEGA since its the same chip. Everyone know performance will be increased with game drivers and more than likely higher clocks with RX VEGA.
If it is a hardware level lock on drivers with Pro vs Gaming that would be sickening.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 1:55 pm to UltimateHog
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Actually I said I'm leaning that way just a few months ago when all the Intel bad press was happening about multiple things hence the decision to consider Ryzen and would use Ryzen in a new build so I'd say that is moreso the case.
I agree.
I would just keep that 7700K at this point. Buying into a fresh platform sucks and return on MOBOs can be terrible at times.
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They've made me about $8,000 in a year, we're good. I tried to help you there but your fanboyism wouldn't listen and you insisted AMD was doing the wrong thing still. Woops.
I never said they are doing the wrong thing. I praised them ever since Fury. They HAVE done the wrong thing in the past. The company got their shtt together and refocused their efforts with GPUs and power efficiency. I've ran over the history from 2009-2012 several time here, but Google. It really is very interesting.
Edt: You do drugs or on any type of medication?
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/3/17 at 2:03 pm to LSU Coyote
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I agree.
Yeah but I would just keep that 7700K at this point. Buying into a fresh platform sucks and return on MOBOs can be terrible at times.
I am, will probably keep it until Zen2 arrives. No reason to swap other than for fun and I don't like swapping mobos very often and yeah the poor return thing would probably just have me keep it anyways.
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I never said they are doing the wrong thing. I praised them ever since Fury. They HAVE done the wrong thing in the past. The company got their shtt together and refocused their efforts with GPUs and power efficiency. I've ran over the history from 2009-2012 several time here, but Google. It really is very interesting.
Well there was a convo we had about a year ago when I was first bringing up the surging stock, it was about the polaris launch and I was discussing how they are attacking the mid range market because that is where 80%ish of all GPU sales lie and you kind of disagreed and still didn't necessarily like what AMD was doing and I was refuting or explaining why I thought they were doing exactly what they needed to do. It was along those lines.
But yeah at the end of the day the recent turnaround and profit gains won't actually be put back into AMD for another few years in terms of expanding R&D budgets and what not, it's moreso about maintaining and keeping a steady growth so the future products reflect the expanded budgets and thus deliver better and better offerings. Which for now, between Ryzen, Threadripper, and Epyc, they're in a good spot for awhile to expand profitability. If it holds true that they are able to gain around 20% of the server market share over the next year or so, then you're talking long term sustainability off the back of that alone.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 2:08 pm to UltimateHog
The Corsair RMA process was easy and quick. They got my old one on Friday and shipped out my new one today.
Posted on 7/3/17 at 2:10 pm to UltimateHog
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The Corsair RMA process was easy and quick. They got my old one on Friday and shipped out my new one today.
Yeah I had my AX1200i fail on me twice and believe it is about to again. I like dealing with Corsair.
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