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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 1/2/17 at 12:34 pm to
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 12:34 pm to
Glossy looks better by a mile. But, only in the right conditions. I'm using all matte panels right now. I had a glossy QNIX for years. Loved it, but I had to turn off the overhead light to play games with a lot of dark scenes -- or if a dark scene suddenly came up, I had to pause, get up, turn off the light. I can't constantly keep the light off during the weekends because the PC is in the bedroom, so when my glossy died recently, I decided to get a matte QNIX. It's honestly not that bad. Certainly doesn't look as good as the glossy, but it works for my situation. I like the semi-gloss on my older Samsung TV. Seems like a good balance.

When the glossy was sitting next to my secondary monitor (a matte ASUS TN 1080p panel), the difference was night and day. This matte QNIX next to the matte ASUS shows me how bad matte TN panels look (or looked, at the time I bought it 4 1/2 years ago).

When I eventually get a premium monitor, I might go glossy again. I'll wait and see what CES brings and look into it later in the year. Now that I have a 1440P that reliably does 110 Hz, I'm gonna upgrade my GPUs first. The 980s suck for high-res gaming. Was saving rainy day funds, then used them on a new washer and dryer a few days ago. fricking IRL purchases are killing me.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69450 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 4:49 pm to
Semi gloss is a nice middle ground. Seems like there are fewer and fewer full gloss.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56438 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:07 pm to
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Seems like there are fewer and fewer full gloss.

One reason to go Korean if you don't need Gsync.
Posted by boXerrumble
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:36 pm to
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The 980s suck for high-res gaming.


You had dual 980 Tis in sli right?

Shouldn't that give pretty good 1440p performance?
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69450 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 5:44 pm to
Yeah but once you have Gsync or Freesync you can't really go back, it's too nice. I can't go back to 60Hz either.

Surely Gsync gets more options this year. Didn't think the disparity in options would be so crazy wide so early, maybe it will force Nvidia's hands to adopt compatibility with Freesync before long.

So ready for the Vega reveal Thursday, sounds like it's going to be a monster! Get ready boys.



Also leaked is AMD's Freesync2, which has nothing to do with Freesync1, it is an HDR mode/renderer. Welcome to the PC HDR! Hype!





This looks absolutely killer, now for a legit HDR monitor please.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 6:10 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56438 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:21 pm to
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Shouldn't that give pretty good 1440p performance?

It is, but 1440 isn't high res now a days right? Its 2160.

I will let him respond but I believe that is what LSUToo means.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:23 pm to


You have to admit.. this graphic is ridiculous. Too extreme!
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Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:44 pm to
I don't know, hype and all sure, but Vega is supposed to be an absolute monster my friend. We shall see just how correct the leaks are, but if it really does beat the 1080ti and fall just below the Titan...hello.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56438 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:46 pm to
well the 1080 Ti is a cut down TITAN X Pascal.. so I hope it does beat it.

Can't wait for VEGA.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69450 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:47 pm to
Leaks have the top end Vega between the 1080ti and Titan. 16GB HBM2, and then the other models with 8GB HBM2 and a possible 8GB GDDR5X version as well.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 6:49 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56438 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:50 pm to
Damn GDDR5X models also? Didn't know this.

Guess to same money on interposers for midrange VEGAs?
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69450 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:52 pm to
Just a rumor, but apparently GDDR5X is compatible with HBM2 in that they can be used on the same board, not sure.

I assume it will be Rage X - 16GB HBM2 top end card and a regular Rage with 8GB HBM2 and then a third lowest range card similar to a Nano.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 6:52 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56438 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:53 pm to
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Just a rumor, but apparently GDDR5X is compatible with HBM2 in that they can be used on the same board, so it was easy for them to offer an even lower price point version.

Well its not compatiable to each other. HBM2 requires an interposer. So they must design the board in a way to just retrace with and without interposers.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56438 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:54 pm to
This is very exciting none of the less.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69450 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:55 pm to
Yeah I didn't mean with each other, just on the same board that it is easy to make a GDDR5X version from say the HBM2 version. Doesn't require much in terms of production and still offering something on the lower end of Vega was something they wanted to do.

A GDDR5X Vega card is very much just a rumor though.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69450 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:55 pm to
For sure, been waiting quite awhile.
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
26156 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:27 pm to
What is the worst part of building? The wiring is by far the craziest part and I HATE the f'ing front panel connections the most, the diagram in the manuals are always vague and the writing on the MOBO requires a magnifying glass to read! PLED+, PLED-, etc., I still haven't connected them in my new system.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
56438 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:13 pm to
Cable managment has become easier over the years. Back in the day cases weren't designed well for cables.

Also Dourden... heading back to Texas where my main PC is located. Will enter your benchmark competition!
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
26156 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:17 pm to
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Also Dourden... heading back to Texas where my main PC is located. Will enter your benchmark competition!


Nice, now we will all cry!
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69450 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:57 pm to
So it appears Freesync2 is AMD's solution to HDR's increased input lag.

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There's more to FreeSync 2 than what these slides show. Videocardz isn't telling the full story. Developing a spec for HDR+variable refresh is a challenging technical problem in its own right, but there's more to it than that. What many people in this thread seem to be missing is that most HDR implementations add >32ms of latency per frame for tonemapping. Do you know how slow that is? That's equivalent to 30FPS, plus the time it takes to render a frame. Now we're at sub-30 FPS. Super good for gaming! Not. AMD appears to have a system for doing the HDR tonemapping inside the GPU, calibrating it for a given display, and doing that at a speed that's suitable for PC gaming w/ variable refresh on top. //EDIT: All of this requires new firmware, maybe HDR-ready monitor controllers, HDR-ready panels, and some sort of extension to the VESA Adaptive-Sync spec (which, by default, knows nothing about HDR or color gamuts). The existing FreeSync monitors can't do any of this--ever.


Very interesting, had completely forgot about the input lag issue with HDR. My Samsung TV in game mode with HDR has a 22ms latency, which is best in class for televisions. Solving that for PC's before HDR even hits the market is huge.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 8:58 pm
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