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re: Official Dragon Age: Inquisition Nonstop Fapathon

Posted on 12/14/14 at 9:39 pm to
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 9:39 pm to
I recommend doing about 70/30 side quests to story line.
Posted by jefforize
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 10:04 pm to
Yeah you can really do whatever seems most fun/coolest. No grinding required at all. The leveling curve is well done imo.

That bulldog dude was probably grinding hinterlands requisitions over and over instead of exploring storm coast or fallow mire
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 10:09 pm to
I usually focus on one and when I have it most of the way done I open up another one. They seem to give you a reason to go back anyways.
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 10:35 pm to
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I usually focus on one and when I have it most of the way done I open up another one. They seem to give you a reason to go back anyways.
Same.

I've gone through Hinterlands, Storm Coast, Fallow Mire, Forbidden Oasis, and am now working on Exalted Plains.
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 11:09 pm to
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Yeah you can really do whatever seems most fun/coolest. No grinding required at all. The leveling curve is well done imo.

That bulldog dude was probably grinding hinterlands requisitions over and over instead of exploring storm coast or fallow mire


Not quite. Hinterlands, Western Approach, Storm Coast, etc. There's some cool stuff like the quest in Crestwood to close the fade rift which makes the rain stop and keeps the zombies from spawning, but by and large, the quest content isn't all that different from area to area. You don't have to do all of it. You can pick and chose what you want to do, but you're going to have to do a lot of it before you can progress through the story.

How much this feels like grinding to you depends on what you're trying to get accomplished, but the grind is certainly there.

My point is that instead of making so many pointless side activities and massive maps, I would've preferred character progression driven by the main story and boosted by side missions. I felt like this was the case in Dragon Age 1 and 2, but in Dragon Age Inquisition, you spend so much time exploring and completing side objectives just to get an hour or so of story exposition before you go back to completing side missions again.

This post was edited on 12/14/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 11:19 pm to
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How much this feels like grinding to you depends on what you're trying to get accomplished, but the grind is certainly there.
All games in this genre have an element of grinding.

Witcher, Dragon Age, Dragon's Dogma, Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc., all have an element of grinding.

It is just an element of those games.

They aren't for everyone. You live and learn.
Posted by jefforize
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 11:23 pm to
I attribute grinding to be like in mmorpgs... chain pulling same level mobs over and over to level up/get to max level. Which da:I doesn't require. But you certainly could.

yeah there are some grindy elements. Closing fade rifts does become a chore after a while. Gathering obsidian gets old.

The meat and potatoes of the game, which imo involves talking to npcs to get quests, and then exploring the new area the quest leads you, is well done and really fun.

The are a lot of unique dungeons. Elven temples vary vastly from Dwarven underground ruins. The civil war wastelands in exalted plains tell a tale on their own.

Once you get past the early levels which are a bit slow, you can get by just doing quests and operations from the war table, like that crestwood story for instance

Just focus on the things you enjoy, ignore the grind mechanics, and there is enjoyment to be had. But if you like to grind, you certainly can


Just read your edit. Talk to your companions in skyhold and work on their storyline quests. Yeah, the main "inquisitors path" quest is probably only 15% of the game
This post was edited on 12/14/14 at 11:26 pm
Posted by BulldogXero
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 11:30 pm to
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Witcher, Dragon Age, Dragon's Dogma, Skyrim, Mass Effect, etc., all have an element of grinding.


I've never played Dragons Dogma. I've played the Witcher 1 and 2, but not enough to really comment. As for Mass Effect, the three Mass Effect games combined are probably my favorite all time gaming experience, and never once was I in a situation where I had to do x number of side missions before I could unlock the next chapter of the main quest.

I played through the main story, stopping long enough to do the quests I thought were interesting. In Mass Effect 3, I did practically everything because I never wanted the game to end, but never once did I feel forced into doing them to progress through the main story and never once the game make me feel like the side activities were more substantial than the content for the main questline.

I understand that games like Skyrim and Oblivion are actually pretty darn short if you play through the nothing but the main questline, but most people probably aren't playing a Bethesda RPG for the same reason they're playing a BioWare RPG. Bethesda games are critically acclaimed for their massive immersive gameworlds, but even there, you just kinda do things as you come across them and nothing feels forced upon you such as you must do some combination of x y or z before you are a high enough level or before you have enough of some made up resource to complete the next story objective.

I feel like given the criticism of Dragon Age 2, BioWare went too far in the other direction with Inquisition, and they're just not as good at creating an open world RPG as Bethesda. I would've preferred a smaller, more narrative-focused experience as in KOTOR and the original Dragon Age or even Dragon Age 2 as long as it had more than the same 5 areas recycled for 30 hours.

It's still game of the year, but it's just not grabbing me because so much of my time is still spent doing ancillary activities. I don't feel like I'm making any progress in the game at all when hours of my playtime is devoted to scouring maps, looting items and closing fade rifts.
This post was edited on 12/14/14 at 11:32 pm
Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/14/14 at 11:56 pm to
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BioWare went too far in the other direction with Inquisition, and they're just not as good at creating an open world RPG as Bethesda.
I disagree. I think they crafted a great open world, but it doesn't seem as if we will come to an agreement. I enjoy running around the many different worlds and doing the small side quests.

I like searching everything and finding all the items.

They may not all be complicated, but they tie into the smaller story elements.

Those side quests with running around Skyhold interspersed between make for a great balance.

We don't have to agree. To each their own.
This post was edited on 12/14/14 at 11:57 pm
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:00 am to
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and they're just not as good at creating an open world RPG as Bethesda. I would've preferred a smaller, more narrative-focused experience as in KOTOR and the original Dragon Age or even Dragon Age 2 as long as it had more than the same 5 areas recycled for 30 hours.


Sorry, the open world part of Inquisition blows Skyrim away. Skyrim recycles so much in the open world part that it gets pretty boring after a while. Now Skyrim's crafting is much better than DA:I, I will say that.

I'm not sure how you are feeling particularly forced to do anything, I suppose the Power requirements could sort of be considered that way, but you could mostly bounce from one main quest part to the next. I have craploads of power and I've barely scratched the surface of anything and mainly have been doing NPC side quests and lately.

I do agree with you about the comparisons to origins though, I would have preferred more of them sliding towards Origins style, particularly in combat and tactics. The combat and strategy in DA:I is extremely weak compared to DA Origins.

Posted by Scruffy
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:04 am to
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I have craploads of power and I've barely scratched the surface of anything and mainly have been doing NPC side quests and lately.
I have over 100.

Power is easy to get.

The combat is less complex than Origins, but it is still pretty fun. I play the support role with my Mage. Keeps me attached to the combat.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 12:06 am
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:18 am to
Yea, power is almost pointless. It's all about influence imo.
Posted by Matisyeezy
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:13 am to
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The civil war wastelands in exalted plains tell a tale on their own


frick that zone. Hate it. I hate the swarms of zombie corpses that are no real threat, but are tedious to kill in bunches of 25. And there's one shard that I can't figure out for the life of me how to get. One thing I really resent about DA: I is the inclusion of a jumping mechanic. Now platform-y type quests like fetch 22 shards become viable and I have to run around stupid mountain sides trying to figure out where I can run/jump up it to access the point that will allow me to drop down to grab the shard.

It feels like fricking Mass Effect 1 and the Mako farming resources on every planet.

But that's not a huge gripe, just an annoyance.
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:28 am to
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run around stupid mountain sides trying to figure out where I can run/jump up it to access the point that will allow me to drop down to grab the shard.


Not sure you ever need to jump. I think most or all of the time, there is a path to get to that shard but it may take some looking around to find that path. I spent lots of time jumping until I realized that most or all of the time, there was an easy path to that shard.

Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
15421 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:34 am to
The grindyness depends on how eager you are to play the game, I was so completely excited to play this game that I hit every quest in every area without a second thought. My second playthrough, as soon as I hit the hinterlands, it was kind of daunting looking at how much shite there is to do
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:33 am to
In case any of you do the book search in Skyhold. Don't kill yourself looking for books. I searched the entire castle from top to bottom twice and only found 42 of the 48.

Then they started to respawn! So just know it might take more than one day to finish that one. You won't find all 48 on the first run through the keep.
Posted by sbr2
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:36 am to
Yeah I noticed that as well
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:53 am to
Not sure if I have it in me to do that quest. That's a lot of damn books and pretty tedious.
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
41516 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:57 am to
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Not sure if I have it in me to do that quest. That's a lot of damn books and pretty tedious.


Well, I found some areas I had never been to. I didn't realize I had a dungeon until I did the quest.

It doesn't need to be tedious, if you just grab a few here and there. They spawn all over the place. Usually in groups of 3 but there are also singles.

It is barely a mission. One of the lesser mages in the library tosses that quest at you if you talk to him a few times.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 11:58 am
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38683 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 12:12 pm to
Well I went to go try and kill another dragon and this update went ahead and decided to take for fricking ever.
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