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Looking to build/have a comp built

Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:11 am
Posted by TigerAlumni08
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2015
6 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:11 am
Hey guys, the last comp I built was about 6 years ago and it finally died on me. I'm looking to either build one myself again or pay someone to do it for me. The problem is that I haven't kept up on the recent hardware and I'm not familiar with bang for your buck items these days. I was wondering if you guys could give me a roundabout number on what I should expect to pay for a mid-range comp.

The computer will mainly be used to play simple games like CS:GO, WOW, and LOL. I'd like them to play on max settings which shouldn't be hard considering their age. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Posted by Taffeta
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
1010 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 10:30 am to
budget......?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 11:38 am to
quote:

The computer will mainly be used to play simple games like CS:GO, WOW, and LOL


You're still better off building vs. buying pre-built. This can be done on a very cheap build, but spending upwards of $600 could get you something solid enough to branch out into other less ancient games, + an SSD. What were you looking to spend?
Posted by USAF Hart
My House
Member since Jun 2011
10273 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

ILikeLSUToo


definitely listen to him. He helped me build my computer and I am computer stupid

One suggestion I would make would be to build around an Intel CPU. AMD is cheaper, but Intel runs faster and if you are thinking about possibly streaming CS:GO, you will need something stronger than AMD.
Posted by oR33Do
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
13561 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 1:59 pm to
Hart did you give up Streaming? I haven't seen you on twitch in awhile.

@OP, I don't know what your budget is, but this list will let you start out small and then move up to i54690k
ElCheapo $625
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:06 pm to
You put a little too much into the mobo, case, and PSU.

Here's what I'd do:

PCPartPicker part list: LINK
Price breakdown by merchant: LINK

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($47.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.78 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($170.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($43.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($58.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $573.61
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-09 15:05 EDT-0400
Posted by USAF Hart
My House
Member since Jun 2011
10273 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 2:37 pm to
Nope, I still stream every Monday, Wednesday, Friday and sometimes on the weekends. I've just been using OBS instead of the PS4 streaming service. I haven't been doing much though. Just grinding out the solo journey challenges on Madden. Nothing impressive lol
Posted by TigerAlumni08
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2015
6 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 5:00 pm to
Budget is around $600. I have a monitor/keyboard/mouse. I'm not interested in newer games like I said. The only games I have time for or will play are CS:GO,LOL, and WOW. That's why I'd prefer them to be able to be played at max settings. I'd preferably like to build around an I5 processor as I prefer Intel. I appreciate everyone's input thus far. Also, a full tower case to make it easier to work with and upgrade.
Posted by oR33Do
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
13561 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 5:23 pm to
Was that a challenge for cheapest build? :Kappa:

ElCheapoJR $430

Now will it catch on fire
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

Was that a challenge for cheapest build?


No, my build was simply better balanced for around the same price.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 5:45 pm to

quote:

That's why I'd prefer them to be able to be played at max settings. I'd preferably like to build around an I5 processor as I prefer Intel.


That's a tough one. At this budget, being needlessly specific on the processor limits you elsewhere. For the games you play, as well as for any general office/entertainment use, an i3 will do just fine. So, unless you have other purposes for this PC you haven't disclosed, the part list I posted will do everything you want and more, and come in under budget.

quote:

Also, a full tower case to make it easier to work with and upgrade.


I'll assume you mean mid-tower, the standard desktop PC size. A true full-tower would be ridiculous for this kind of build.

The Cooler Master N200 is actually pretty easy to work in, but here's an updated part list that includes a larger standard ATX case of equal merit, plus an aftermarket cooler just to make things a little quieter.

PCPartPicker part list: LINK
Price breakdown by merchant: LINK

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-D PLUS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($47.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.78 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($170.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N300 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($58.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $599.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-09 18:42 EDT-0400
Posted by oR33Do
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
13561 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 5:49 pm to
Is there a big enough gap between the 750ti and the 960 for what he wants to play?

/serious question because that's like a $50-70 dollar difference.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 6:39 pm to
For his purposes, no. In fact, if he replies with valid justification for the i5 vs. an i3, I'd simply adjust the GPU downward to make room for the CPU upgrade. Otherwise, the rules of balance for a gaming PC must apply.

The 960 makes a strong case for budget builds because it's currently the only (or at least cheapest) dedicated GPU that supports the full spectrum of 4k TV, specially HDMI 2.0 with HDCP 2.2. The great thing about gaming pc builds is they function quite well as HTPCs and media servers.
Posted by BigSquirrel
Member since Jul 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 7:32 pm to
i3's are total garbage. i5 is too inexpensive to even consider getting the 2nd gen Celeron.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 7:36 pm to
Well, you're wrong, but ok.
Posted by BigSquirrel
Member since Jul 2013
1880 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 7:56 pm to
Must just be a coincidence then that the ones I've worked on have all been slow. Take it from me, someone you don't know or trust, spend the extra and trust your gut on avoiding the i3's. Spend $65 more and get the i5 4460. You'll get a 28% higher benchmark, but more importantly, you'll get something you can work with for longer. It's true, you have to skimp somewhere else, which is going to fall to the video card which is right where we don't want to have to cut, but upgrading a single piece down the road will be better than having a Celeron until you decide to throw it in the trash.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 8:20 pm to
quote:

Must just be a coincidence then that the ones I've worked on have all been slow.


Not a coincidence. Just ignorance on your part.

quote:

You'll get a 28% higher benchmark


It's a bit less than that, maybe 20-22% in these particular models (for only 30-something% more money, right?), and the single-core performance is actually slightly higher on the i3. You know why? Both CPUs have the same architecture, but the i5 is simply quad-core and the i3 is dual-core with hyperthreading. Both use 4 threads, but the i3 suffers slightly only because virtual threads share an FPU with physical cores. Application matters. Since the i3 I chose has a higher clock speed than an i5-4460, single-threaded performance will be greater. It's pretty obvious the differences if you actually know what you're talking about. The games he plays are heavily single-threaded applications. I'm not saying he absolutely shouldn't get an i5, but your reasoning is just bad. Add it to the pile of ignorant advice that gets slung around the tech board.

quote:

It's true, you have to skimp somewhere else, which is going to fall to the video card which is right where we don't want to have to cut, but upgrading a single piece down the road will be better than having a Celeron until you decide to throw it in the trash.


You lose all credibility for comparing an i3 to a Celeron in the first place. And then you recommend reducing GPU budget for an i5? My god... Educate yourself.
Posted by Devious
Elitist
Member since Dec 2010
29458 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 8:29 pm to
I love it when you talk like that
Posted by lefty08
Not in Auburn or Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
6567 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 8:41 pm to
nerds
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 9/9/15 at 8:45 pm to
quote:

I love it when you talk like that


Nerd frustration at its worst, I know.

I have what I consider very high tolerance for anyone wanting to know even the most basic of information or even questioning my logic, as both will lead to a better understanding of the topic at hand. But I have zero tolerance for anyone polluting the topic with ignorant assertions. That's the kind of crap that makes it impossible for novices to Google certain questions about hardware and get answers they can trust, because the first page of results is littered with Tom's Hardware threads full of unsubstantiated assertions from all angles.
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