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Japanese people are targeting the historian Ubisoft relied on for their black samurai
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:01 am
Posted on 7/15/24 at 12:01 am
Scrolled the first page and didn't see the thread about this game. SIAP.
They apparently figured out he'd been editing Wikipedia to promote his work. His research is completely fraudulent. Ubisoft previously had to issue an apology and remove a flag from the game that shouldn't have existed at the time and is currently used by war reenactors in Japan.
This game set in Japan is going to bomb hard in Japan, and I hope it bombs in the USA as well.
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They apparently figured out he'd been editing Wikipedia to promote his work. His research is completely fraudulent. Ubisoft previously had to issue an apology and remove a flag from the game that shouldn't have existed at the time and is currently used by war reenactors in Japan.
This game set in Japan is going to bomb hard in Japan, and I hope it bombs in the USA as well.
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 12:14 am
Posted on 7/15/24 at 6:20 am to imjustafatkid
[quote]This game set in Japan is going to bomb hard in Japan, and I hope it bombs in the USA as well.[/quote
Why do you hope it bombs?
Why do you hope it bombs?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 6:30 am to imjustafatkid
1) It's historical fiction. But I think Yasuke will be the first protagonist in the series loosely based on an actual real historical character.
2) There have been multiple games based on Yasuke. That this one would rile the game public up is hilarious.
3) This is one of the top preorder games in Japan. So much for that narrative. LINK
4) Were any of you fighting the good fight when Nioh came out? An Irish samurai?
5) lolz for quoting grummz on anything.
2) There have been multiple games based on Yasuke. That this one would rile the game public up is hilarious.
3) This is one of the top preorder games in Japan. So much for that narrative. LINK
4) Were any of you fighting the good fight when Nioh came out? An Irish samurai?
5) lolz for quoting grummz on anything.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:17 am to imjustafatkid
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:18 am to TIGERSTORM
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Why do you hope it bombs?
Because they finally made an Assassin's Creed based in Japan, and they made the main character a black samurai who did not actually exist.
This woke pandering nonsense has to end, and the only way that will happen is for games like this to continually, consistently, bomb. And bomb hard.
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This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 9:22 am
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:33 am to imjustafatkid
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character a black samurai who did not actually exist.
The person existed. There is debate about what his actual role was, but again, fictional history. Historical accuracy only matters to you if they use a black person or a woman.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:44 am to sicboy
This thread is going to make you take another break, isn't it?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:50 am to sicboy
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The person existed.
I didn't say the person didn't exist.
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There is debate about what his actual role was
No there isn't. There's one moron "historian" who basically wrote his own fan fic about this guy and tried to pass it off as history, to the point of even using Wikipedia to promote his views that are not at all accepted or being debated. There is NO LEGITIMATE EVIDENCE that this guy was ever a samurai.
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Historical accuracy only matters to you if they use a black person or a woman.
This is a stupid take. If they wanted to use this black samurai then they should have used him as a quest giving NPC like they have done with all other historical figures in every other game they've ever made. Instead they made him the first playable character to actually have been found in history, and represented him in a way that is insulting to an entire culture.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 9:52 am to sicboy
quote:I don't care about any of the rest of this thread, but the protag of Nioh is a legitimate historical character who was in fact a samurai by decree of Tokugawa at the time. Unless that turns out to be fabricated by the same guy mentioned here anyway.
4) Were any of you fighting the good fight when Nioh came out? An Irish samurai?
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:00 am to Kodar
I don't really know anything about Nioh, and now that I've looked it up I realize that was a PlayStation exclusive so that's probably why. I haven't owned a PlayStation since the PS2.
Seems that game was actually made by a Japanese company, and it appears the guy that game's main character was based off of is actually buried in Japan as a samurai and they even have an annual celebration in Japan to commemorate him. This is a strange example to use in comparison to the completely-fictional representation of the character in this Assassin's Creed game. No one would care about this at all if they weren't trying to make him into something he clearly wasn't.
Here is a link to the Encyclopedia Britannica article about the historical figure Nioh's main character is apparently based on: LINK
Seems that game was actually made by a Japanese company, and it appears the guy that game's main character was based off of is actually buried in Japan as a samurai and they even have an annual celebration in Japan to commemorate him. This is a strange example to use in comparison to the completely-fictional representation of the character in this Assassin's Creed game. No one would care about this at all if they weren't trying to make him into something he clearly wasn't.
Here is a link to the Encyclopedia Britannica article about the historical figure Nioh's main character is apparently based on: LINK
This post was edited on 7/15/24 at 10:05 am
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:07 am to Devious
It's not my thread. I'm good
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:14 am to imjustafatkid
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insulting to an entire culture
Considering the pre-order numbers, doesn't seem like the people who this would matter to actually think this way.
I've seen a few Japanese journalist who've voiced that if you really cared about their culture, stop trying to pigeon hole them into samurai games.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:23 am to imjustafatkid
My favorite part is that they use hip hop for Yasuke as if that's the only music black people like
Also, Ghost of Tsushima is the samurai assassin game we all wanted
Also, Ghost of Tsushima is the samurai assassin game we all wanted
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:41 am to JetsetNuggs
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Ghost of Tsushima is the samurai assassin game we all wanted
this. i could care less about all of this because i played the better version of new AC a few years ago.

Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:51 am to sicboy
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The person existed. There is debate about what his actual role was, but again, fictional history. Historical accuracy only matters to you if they use a black person or a woman.
I’ll outright say it, if I’m going to play an Assassin’s Creed game set in Japan during an era of forced isolation, I absolutely want to play as a Japanese character and I expect 99% of the characters in the game to be Japanese as well.
Origins was set in Egypt and we played as an Egyptian character.
Odyssey was set in Greece and we played as a Grecian.
Valhalla was set in Northern Europe and we played as a Northern European.
If they set a game in India, I want to play as an Indian.
If they set a game in Central/South America, I want to play as a Central/South American.
If they set a game in the heart of Africa, I want to play as an African.
What I don’t want is to play a game set in Japan with a character who doesn’t represent the time or place the game is set in. That goes against the precedent they have set in their franchise’s history.
Hollywood and Gaming had a history of whitewashing and wanted to rectify that. Fine, I’m cool with you being historically accurate and encourage that. Instead they are black washing roles and historical figures with outright lies and all you are doing is the same thing you just apologized for but shifting the races/cultures you are pissing off.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 10:51 am to sicboy
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Considering the pre-order numbers, doesn't seem like the people who this would matter to actually think this way.
You linked to an article showing it was the top-purchased game the week preorders went live in May "on Amazon Japan's PS5 Best Sellers list." That is such a very specific metric. Of course it's the best-selling game the week preorders went live. That doesn't mean anything.
According to GameSpot's list of bestsellers in the USA for 2024 so far, it is not in the top 20. LINK
I can't find great up-to-date information in Japan, but here is the link of best sellers on Amazon's Japanese website: LINK
I don't speak Japanese, but I don't see box art for Assassin's Creed Shadows next to any of the items in the top 100 of that list.
If I break it down to just "PS5 Best Sellers," like what you showed with your link for one week in May, I get this list: LINK
Again, I don't speak Japanese, but I'm still not seeing box art for Assassin's Creed Shadows next to any of the items in the top 100, even if I break it down specifically by "PS5 Best Sellers."
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:17 am to imjustafatkid
You're not going to play it, that's fine. However, this campaigning isn't going to do a thing because, other keyboard culture warriors, nobody AT ALL sees a problem with what they are doing.
It's still going to sell a crap ton of copies. Be prepared.
It's still going to sell a crap ton of copies. Be prepared.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:48 am to imjustafatkid
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This woke pandering nonsense has to end
They're just starting a conversation.
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:55 am to sicboy
quote:loosely based on a possibly historical character.
loosely based on an actual real historical character.
It is becoming evident that Thomas Lockley made almost everything up.
Apparently, they are saying he fabricated everything based on 2 or 3 sentences in a text.
Yasuke may have been black, but could also have been Indian or Indonesian. The more tanned Cambodian/Indochina peoples were often called black of skin, they are saying.
And he was a weapon bearer and court entertainment of a shogun for about a year, then was sold back into slavery.
Lockley took those few sentences and made up all kinds of shite.
Allegedly
Posted on 7/15/24 at 11:57 am to sicboy
quote:I mean, so did Mein Kampf
It's still going to sell a crap ton of copies.
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