re: Avowed is looking like it's going to be another great game from Obsidian

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I usually try to give games a few hours before I give up on them. Couldn't make it past 1 with Avowed.

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So...you didn't finish the tutorial?

I finally got a chance to play tonight and I think this game is a blast. Combat is fun and stays true to the Pillars of Eternity games, the controls don't feel clunky to me at all, and the scenery is beautiful. I haven't really started in on the story yet so I guess we'll see how that goes, but exploring this world has been pretty fun so far.

Dude you are insanely reasonable in every realm of conversation except when it involves xbox and gamepass for some reason.

The argument isnt (at least from me): theres nothing worth playing on gamepass its all complete garbage and it blows

The argument is: games designed with gamepass in mind as a substantial driver for their users/players, which avowed clearly is and things like the show octopath GTA and basically all other things you mentioned arent, has shown an inability to rise above the mid category. It simply cannot do it.

I am really happy you are enjoying yourself and find great value in gamepass, truly. But you shouldnt strawman arguments nor just disregard what I see from my perspective as the majority view and opinion. It makes you seem like a complete homer tbh. Which I know you are a reasonable and good guy from other boards so I just find it frustrating you refuse to be reasonable about this.

People were getting 24 hour bans from the steam forums for the game for being “anti DEI” . I shite you not that’s the reason they were given. Remember, the dev studios moderate their own forums not steam. Obsidian is a clown car full of hacks and likely can’t be salvaged.

People were returning 24 hours later making troll posts about how much they support DEI race quotas and the Democrats now that they had 24 hours to think

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The argument is: games designed with gamepass in mind as a substantial driver for their users/players, which avowed clearly is and things like the show octopath GTA and basically all other things you mentioned arent, has shown an inability to rise above the mid category. It simply cannot do it.

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Well, thats not true, but that's also a silly argument. Game Pass is about the value of the service. Nothing more, nothing less. People aren't buying it just for the day 1 releases. It just isn't reasonable to claim Game Pass isn't the best deal in all of gaming. There is no argument to be made.

Also, maybe I'll get to the bad part of Avowed but so far it's pretty dang awesome. I can't imagine not even finishing the tutorial before deciding it wasn't for me. Feels exactly like how anyone who likes these style of games would want it to feel.

To your point, every Microsoft game is made with Game Pass in mind. They're all going to release on Game Pass on day 1. Call of Duty, Avowed, Starfield, Indiana Jones, Forza, Flight Simulator, Gears of War, Halo, Age of Empires, Outer Worlds, State of Decay, the list goes on and on (and I didnt even mention upcoming games or third party games that released on Game Pass on day 1). At this point, they know every single one of these will be on Game Pass on day 1. Additionally, games like Hi-Fi Rush and the most recent Battletoads release probably never happen if not for Game Pass. It allows them to take chances on those sorts of games that probably wouldnt have sold well otherwise. Of course not every release is a banger, but that has never been the case for any gaming studio ever.

The original Trailer, to the actual game, is a super catfish and fraud.

Super lazy programming, it's 100% of it.


The comparison videos, make the game even worse than it is. And remember, this was obsidions Skyrim killer

More people play several versions of skyrim over this junk, and it's brand new. I could be wrong, but i thought i saw 20K continuous on Skyrim vr. If that was what i saw, this game is as bad as concord, in hype and actual players.

If not for Gamepass, it could of been in the 10K or less players in first hyped weekend. horrible for a AAA studio and game with this much hype

Started this today.

So far it's fun. I don't get the hate but I basically just finished the tutorial

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So far it's fun. I don't get the hate but I basically just finished the tutorial

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Same. Looks great and runs well on pc. Surprisingly well too with RT turned on with an AMD card.

Honestly the only complaint I have at the moment is I couldn't nuke an npc that was talking shite in the first city.

Games looks terrible. Another one in the “Day 1 on Gamepass” bin at Walmart for $5.

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There was a high bar for Obsidian

Avowed is just OK

Also the videos comparing Avowed to Oblivion made Avowed look reeaaaaally bad

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Yeah it isn't DEI. It's just that this is a mediocre arse game.

Interestingly, like Veilguard, this appears to be another game built upon the bones of a live service title.

The Outer Worlds still felt like it was an RPG. It felt like the developers were shooting for a spiritual successor to New Vegas but didn't have the budget.

Avowed is really lacking as an RPG. Character progression is tied to a handful of really skinny skilltrees. The world is completely dead. NPCs in towns litterally stand in place and emote. You swing your sword at them and literally nothing happens. No reaction or interactivity whatsoever. Your party members are paper thin. Pretty much every interaction is "Hey man, join my party." "Ok" and that's it.

The gear progression completely ruins the entire game. It feels like it was designed by some dipshit millennial/gen z who got a job at Obsidian after working on GACHA mobile games.

Enemies get a damage buff and you get a damage debuff when attacking enemies with higher level gear than you. Likewise, you get a damage buff and enemies get a damage debuff when you have higher level gear.

The problem with this is every new map essentially goes like this, "oh shite, everything is too tough for me." Then you do virtually every side quest and score every inch of the map to scrounge up enough resources to upgrade your gear before you can move on to the main story. Rinse/repeat once you move to the next map.

This is why when you discover a chest via the game's much ballyhooed exploration, 9 times out of 10 it just contains resources for you to upgrade your gear instead of new, unique armor/weapons.

Get a greatsword that is a higher tier than your gun? You are then penalized for continuing with your existing with a lower tier piece of gear.

It isn't difficult. Either scale the enemy encounters to match the level of the player or do away with level scaling entirely.

This push/pull gear system is quite literally the worst of both worlds.