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Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:31 pm to
Posted by drockw1
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:31 pm to
Edit: double post
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Posted by drockw1
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Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:32 pm to
1PD: double Maker's at the Pin

Toasting the life of a co-worker & buddy...frick cancer
Posted by Dr Beardface
Here and There
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:38 am to
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Dr. Beardface - you heard anything more on the bday bourbon?


Sounds like there's a good chance we won't get it b/c ABC screwed up the orders
Posted by Dr Beardface
Here and There
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:39 am to
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Ahh those new ones. It's just the labeling right or is it different from the reg bottles?


Supposedly it's going to be part of a "Small Batch Series" that will be a little different each time. We'll see how it is; could just be marketing scheme.
Posted by JCANS
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:48 am to
When is the Birthday Bourbon supposed to hit shelves
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:53 am to
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marketing scheme.


Thats how I read it...
Posted by trux83LSU
brandon, ms
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:54 am to
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Trux, email me at dr.beardface@outlook.com

sent this morning
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:59 am to
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When is the Birthday Bourbon supposed to hit shelves



in september
Posted by JCANS
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:01 am to
I figured it was a late year release, just didnt know if there was going to be a spring release since they were discussing it. Thanks
Posted by FunroeTiger
Mississippi
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 11:22 am to
It was last years that mississippi never received.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:08 pm to
Question for you whiskey guys.

Why is it considered "the older the better" in terms of aging whiskeys?

Posted by 3HourTour
A whiskey barrel
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:09 pm to
The wood bra
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:24 pm to
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Why is it considered "the older the better" in terms of aging whiskeys?


"older is better" isnt always the case. scotch can be aged much longer without being "over oaked". where as bourbon will pick up too much oak as it gets too old (20+ years). the main reason is that bourbons use new barrels where scotch uses used barrels
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:34 pm to
I asked this question because I tased some two week bourbon (from a home distiller) that tasted better than 10 year old Bulleit. It's my understanding the higher the quality of spirit entering the barrel the less aging required to attenuate the "bad" molecules. With a good white spirit containing very small concentration of "bad" molecules you simply age for the vanilla, caramel, and other wood flavors and not necessarily to mellow the spirit.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:37 pm to
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I tased some two week bourbon (from a home distiller) that tasted better than 10 year old Bulleit.


Bulleit is not one i drink regularly but I find this hard to believe

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It's my understanding the higher the quality of spirit entering the barrel the less aging required to attenuate the "bad" molecules. With a good white spirit containing very small concentration of "bad" molecules you simply age for the vanilla, caramel, and other wood flavors and not necessarily to mellow the spirit.


i have literally never heard this theory. i good white dog is going to make a better finished product certainly. That's not to say that you can age a spirit for weeks as opposed to years simply because the white dog is good.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 1:40 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:50 pm to
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Bulleit is not one i drink regularly but I find this hard to believe


Just to clarify, he wasn't aging in a barrel he was aging in a gallon ball jar not completely sealed with charred oak staves.

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i have literally never heard this theory.


That's my theory. I'm just drawing from the hours of chemistry and chem lab I had to take in college.
Posted by Sisyphus
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 2:56 pm to
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"older is better" isnt always the case. scotch can be aged much longer without being "over oaked". where as bourbon will pick up too much oak as it gets too old (20+ years). the main reason is that bourbons use new barrels where scotch uses used barrels


It also has a lot to do with temperature variation and barrel expansion.

The temps in Scotland on average stay between 35-60 degrees, whereas in Kentucky it'll be between 30-85 throughout the year. This continual expansion and contraction of the barrels imparts more wood flavors into the whiskey inside leading to huge flavor variations between a scotch and bourbon of the same age.

I also agree with gmrkr5, there are very few bourbons I enjoy over the 15-20 year mark, trending more towards 15. Scotch on the other hand seems to really start hitting it's stride between 18-21 years.

Jim Rutledge of Four Roses has gone on record as saying he doesn't care for bourbons outside of 10 years, which is why we've only seen very small amounts of the 17 and 18 year old Four Roses product. (All gift shop offers to my knowledge other than the blend in the 125th anniversary)
Posted by Uncle JackD
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 2:56 pm to
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asked this question because I tased some two week bourbon (from a home distiller) that tasted better than 10 year old Bulleit.
But was it better than benchmark?? That's what u gotta ask yourself
Posted by Sisyphus
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 2:58 pm to
Old Forester actually uses climate controlled brick warehouses to increase the number of hot/cold cycles exactly for this purpose.
Posted by 3HourTour
A whiskey barrel
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 3:00 pm to
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benchmark


quote:

two week bourbon


I was under the impression that he was talking about Benchmark
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