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Tip etiquette question: Do you base your tip amount on included taxes?

Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted by King Crab
Member since May 2021
147 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:08 pm
Had a discussion at a working lunch today regarding tip etiquette. One co-worker stated he doesn't tip based on the overall cost of the meal because he isn't "paying taxes twice." He bases the tip amount, usually 20% according to him, on the subtotal on the check.

Another co-worker took offense to that and stated you should always tip based on the overall check amount.

Thoughts?
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90440 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:09 pm to
I look at the total. Tbh, I usually tip in cash so it kinda goes in multiples of 20s when its a lunch/dinner bill.

Just tip less if you want to tip less. Making excuses like youre paying taxes twice is silly
Posted by MapGuy
I was born,I grew older,I'm here
Member since May 2010
37438 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:12 pm to
i double the taxes and round up..

tax on meal = $2.13 - tip $4.50 to $5.00

usually comes out to ~20%
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
6564 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:20 pm to
I agree that tip should be calculated based on total and not total + tax, but more often than not I just do it based on the bottom line out of laziness.
Posted by nwacajun
St louis
Member since Dec 2008
1488 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:26 pm to
In all the restaurants when figuring a servers tip % it is off pre tax amount . I know that's not the question but thats how the restaurants figure it.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90440 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:28 pm to
Are people actually putting random amounts on tip lines like $16 or $22 unless it just rounds up to a whole number perfectly?

We are talking about $2 for every $100 spent.

An 'I tip at least 20% every time person' should look at an $85 bill and say ok 20% is 17 so I am going to leave $20 and call it a day.

Am I the minority(lol) here?

Posted by Midget Death Squad
Meme Magic
Member since Oct 2008
24465 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:28 pm to
Are we really that cheap now that we have to deduct the 10% of taxes out of that total before adding the 20% tip? This is a very miserly thing to do. Tell your coworker to stop eating out, because if he can't afford paying an extra 20cents then he probably shouldn't be eating out in the first place.


Double the bill and divide by 10, and you have an easy tip rule to live by. Tip less if service sucks; tip more if it's exceptional. Simple and appropriate
Posted by BMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
16255 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:34 pm to
I double the tax and round up to the nearest dollar in most cases. Sometimes I add more. Rarely, less.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:36 pm to
quote:

Are people actually putting random amounts on tip lines like $16 or $22 unless it just rounds up to a whole number perfectly?


Yea But for any type of sitdown meal the floor is $5 for me personally. I also go with whole dollars.
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90440 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:41 pm to
Yea im not really talking about going to the vietnamese place by myself and the bill is $17. 5 or 7 bucks there is definitely fine.

But on an $80 bill, you would put 16 so its a perfect 20%? I would just put 20 and call it an even 100 bucks.

I never realized it until my gf pointed it out for like the 10th time, but all this mumbo jumbo goes out the window when the waitress is good looking
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90440 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:41 pm to

double post
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
44874 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

Are people actually putting random amounts on tip lines like $16 or $22 unless it just rounds up to a whole number perfectly?

That’s what I do
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
84049 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

But on an $80 bill, you would put 16 so its a perfect 20%? I would just put 20 and call it an even 100 bucks.


I don't tip in cash, so getting a whole number that's "close" to 20% is no issue. When tipping in cash, I follow your lead. I don't like asking for change back
Posted by Jones
Member since Oct 2005
90440 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:46 pm to
I got into the habit years ago of always trying to tip in cash after a fiasco i had at a bar. I write cash on the tip line and tip in cash. Yea I dont want change either
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
65648 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:53 pm to
i usually just look at the tax and double it.
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
7781 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:54 pm to
I tip on the total. Take 10% of the total bill x 2, then round up to whatever it takes to have my bill be $XX.00.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75837 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

more often than not I just do it based on the bottom line out of laziness.


This.
Posted by hobotiger
Asbury Park, NJ
Member since Nov 2007
5192 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:08 pm to
I don't mind tipping with the tax included in the amount I tip on.

What I do mind are places that add the 3% credit card fee without letting you know beforehand and then they include that when they do the suggested tip amounts.

That was always a cost of doing business now it is becoming commonplace. Just raise your prices
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
97608 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:22 pm to
I don’t tip cash so yes I put random amounts

$54 lunch tip is $11

$185 dinner tip is $37

I tip more than 20% for service staff that takes care of me regularly

ETA: I use bottom line with tax
This post was edited on 9/9/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Member since Feb 2011
57002 posts
Posted on 9/9/21 at 2:27 pm to
In my area there are several restaurant districts setup where tax rate amounts to 18.6% on food and bev, so definitely not tipping with tax
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