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Posted by Stamps
New Orleans, LA
Member since Jan 2006
4496 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:40 pm to
Baton Rouge has good food, you just have to find it.

-Jubans
-Byronz Bistro
-The Little Village
-Fleur De Lis
-Ivars
-Georges
-Ginos
-Sammys
-Capital City Grill
-Monjunis (started in Shreveport though)
-Franks Resturant
-Chelseas Cafe
-Zeeland Street Market
-Chimes (depending on what you order)
-Brandt's
-D'Agostinos
-Ruffinos
-Superior
-Mansurs
-Drusillas
-Louisiana Lagniappe
-Parrains
-Vics Chophouse
You just have to avoid the Outbacks, Chilies, etc..





Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20025 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

Way to stay on topic.


Threads have a way of not staying on topic often...this should come as no surprise to any avid poster such as yourself.

I could care less if it did...Lsupimp complained about it then went off topic himself and included ad hominem attacks. I pointed out the hypocrisy (go back and check the thread).
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20025 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

those establishments have either not emerged or never gotten off their feet. Why is that? I think it has a lot to do with the lack of long term culinary tradition - maybe being between the Creole and Cajun culinary worlds led to some kind of culnary confusion here, just a theory, could be way off.


FINALLY, a theory and opinion and an admittance that BR does lack those type of places...thats all I have argued here.

Your theories are interesting and possibly all valid. What say you about my theory that (in part due to the large college population) the overwhelming support for chains scares away many independent owners/chefs?
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37575 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

-Jubans
-Byronz Bistro
-The Little Village
-Fleur De Lis
-Ivars
-Georges
-Ginos
-Sammys
-Capital City Grill
-Monjunis (started in Shreveport though)
-Franks Resturant
-Chelseas Cafe
-Zeeland Street Market
-Chimes (depending on what you order)
-Brandt's
-D'Agostinos
-Ruffinos
-Superior
-Mansurs
-Drusillas
-Louisiana Lagniappe
-Parrains
-Vics Chophouse


Just wanted to add a few.

Digiulio Bros
Sushi Yama
Tramonte's
Posted by Towelie
America's Wang
Member since Aug 2007
19214 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

What exactly on this thread shows that I am full of myself?


As a BR native I'm probably just being defensive even when I know what you say is true. We can't compare BR to NOLA. Apples and Oranges.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109466 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

I think we get what your saying. I respect your opinion as well as YA's......but sometimes you two come off as sounding like pompous assholes.


Wait, why am I getting roped in here?

Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37575 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:49 pm to
TA- most level headed BR posters will agree that the BR scene could be improved and that the food scene in NOLA is fantastic given the size of the city.

Your methods though are divisive and breed an us versus them attitude.

I disagree though that BR is chain mecca. Put BR against other similar sized cities(not NOLA) and for the most part it holds its own. That said I agree given the location between NOLA and cajun country there is plenty of room for improvement.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20025 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:50 pm to
eelsu...you raise a good point as well that BR people come to NOLA for food...this is a Jackson and Gulf Coast tradition as well.

The culinary confision theory is certainly the most interesting assertion though.
Posted by tavolatim
denham springs
Member since Dec 2007
5114 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:51 pm to
I sure hate to say it...but....I would trade all these Baton Rouge restaurants for one more night at Stella's....It was just that much better from the service to the unique food....I don't want to live in New Orleans but I sure like that it is only an hour away.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20025 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:55 pm to
Cash, most don't admit this on here and would prefer to list the same 10-20 BR restaurants as evidence and then often take off on a rant against NOLA for crime or cleanliness as a way of divesting themselves mentally from the point of the initial discussion since they are often to obstinate to admit a shortcoming.

quote:

Your methods though are divisive and breed an us versus them attitude.


How is that:
I happily admit any shortcoming of the NOLA culinary scene and would like to hear where we have room for improvement. eelsu has, in fact, admitted a shortcoming and I look forward to expounding on those theories mentioned.

BR could be doing much better...it takes a city though getting hyped about the new local joint and not a chain wine bar that "picked" BR.
This post was edited on 10/7/08 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85197 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

So far I was attacked personally due to the nature of my work and I have back up New Orleans (something I hold dear) when it was personally assaulted.


Midol alert.
I think I was responding to your insult, you delicate little waif of a personal injury attorney...

Yep. I was really vicious. I can see how my use of the word "effete" might cause you to fall apart at the seams.

But imagine the logic folks; he is "defending his city" by blasting Baton Rouge. Obviously he doesn't like it when we defend our provincial little town. A thread about a respected Baton Rouge rib joint turns into an unprovoked frontal assault about the tastes and prefefrence of Baton Rougeans, with pitifully thin assumptions and generalizations about our suppossed tastes...

Oy vey.

quote:


What exactly on this thread shows that I am full of myself?


Um... er, maybe virtually everything you posted...

It is hard to be haughty on a message board, but somehow you have accomplished it. You are like the guy on the movie board who makes fun of the guy who likes Hollywood films, because everyone knows, the only films with merit are made in France...

Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20025 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

I would trade all these Baton Rouge restaurants for one more night at Stella's


Right, chef-owned and innovative...if I were a BR chef and ate at Stella! I would think it would inspire me to take a risk and innovate and not make sure spinach artichoke dip is on the menu to feed the generic appetite.
Posted by eelsu
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
606 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 3:58 pm to
First Baton Rouge has good restaurants but again, considering our population, not as many as we could have.

I'll agree that the college kids probably skew the money and volume of restaurant business into cheaper food and less attention to detail or desire for quality aka chains. And I'll bite to say that this market isn't ripe for an independent chef/owner to just show up in town and open a new restaurant. There is no room for growing pains in Baton Rouge for new chefs/owners; if you do open up and steal some customers at the beginning, you have to be exceptional to have a chance...

Lastly maybe the bigger issue is that people here don't care as much about the restaurant experience or attention to detail? Maybe they search out dining options that are simply big portions that are average and affordable? Again more theories....
Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
Member since May 2005
132775 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Try any good places lately in NOLA?


wouldn't mind trying out iris ..
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
85197 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 4:06 pm to
You guys would walk 100 miles to avoid saying the obvious. NOLA has the the large numbers of great restaraunts precisely because it has the large numbers of tourists.

Stop. Re-read. Comprehend.

Take them out of the equation and hundreds of restaurants , starting in tourist areas, and then moving out in concentric circles, would die on the vine.

This is not to say NOLA does not have good food "in the blood" , because it does. But it also has an artificial environment.

It's the same reason a COW TOWN like ORLANDO, off all places can support so many excellent (I know, I know..food snobs hate this indisputable fact) high end restaurants.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20025 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 4:07 pm to
Lsupimp...you belong on another board. I am choosing to ignore you since you add zero to this conversation.

I will add this since once again you chose to personally attack me: I am not now, nor will ever be a personal injury attorney...other side of the law, my friend. Also, I didn't attack BR people, except to say that their food taste may be different (which is exactly what eelsu is posting here). You, on the other hand, attacked New Orleans on a non-related food issue then its people. Now, you once again get into name-calling...really, try another board.

quote:

if you do open up and steal some customers at the beginning, you have to be exceptional to have a chance...


eelsu, how do you mean?

quote:

Lastly maybe the bigger issue is that people here don't care as much about the restaurant experience or attention to detail? Maybe they search out dining options that are simply big portions that are average and affordable?


I think this is the point that I was making...in New Orleans people are obsessed to an extent with food and the dining experience. If you took away our tourists, the restaurant population would decrease a bit, but the scene would still be exceptional for a smaller city due to this way we have been raised. We are very much a food city.

Again, I agree that the college population has a lot to do with the restaurant selection around the campus area.
Posted by Tiger Attorney
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
20025 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

wouldn't mind trying out iris ..


They said late October, but I would call first...when I hear its open, I will post about it.
Posted by TigahRag
Sorting Out OT BS Since 2005
Member since May 2005
132775 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 4:08 pm to
baton rouge has its pluses and minuses just like any mid-sized city would .. food and dining is not one of our pluses .. even though the jam packed parking lots on friday nights at restaurants would beg to differ .. i am amazed that we don't have one really high quality seafood restaurant here .. we have no true cajun restaurants here either .. hell, all we have are sushi bars and cheesy mexican joints on every corner ...

flemings and ruth's are a high-end night out here .. when i wanted fine dining, i just got into the habit of going down to new orleans ..
Posted by tavolatim
denham springs
Member since Dec 2007
5114 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 4:10 pm to
I will agree with you...If you were to open a chef-owned and innovative restaurant such as stella's and sink your future into it...would you open it in New Orleans or Baton Rouge? You really don't have to think long on that one...even though you have more competition in NO...The people are there that appreciate what you are creating and serving...or you go bust...Baton Rouge(not everyone but a lot) is so fickle for anything new until the next new thing comes along.
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
37575 posts
Posted on 10/7/08 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

Cash, most don't admit this on here


I'll respectfully disagree. There are many who do, I'm not sure how to calculate if it is few, some, fair amount or most.

quote:

Your methods though are divisive and breed an us versus them attitude.




How is that:


You use any opportunity to down BR's food scene. For example this thread had nothing to do with chains yet you interjected it into the thread.

quote:

BR could be doing much better


I agree, but I still still would put our scene up against Mobile's, Beaumont's, Jackson's, Birmingham's, etc.
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