re: PuttaDaForkDown

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Excercise isn't always going to make you lose weight because it can't just stand on it's own.

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It can just stand on its own. You may not be losing weight, but you can at least maintain your current weight even if you do not eat healthy all the time. It may not be "weight loss", but it is basically the same thing. Controlling your weight through exercise alone. Boxers do it all the time. Chad Ocho Cinco eats McDonalds every day. But he works out like a mad man and has like 5% body fat. Give me a fricking break.


The thing is he says it has nothing to do with weight loss. That is just laughable. Is it more important than your diet? probably not. That doesn't mean it has nothing to do with weight loss. That is just a broad, ignorant statement.

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I guess what I mean to say is that this isn't a black and white issue. There's just too many variables.

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according to CAD it is black and white. Of course spoken like a man that has been 195# for 8 months despite being a "cyclist".

How much would CAD weigh if he didn't cycle? How could he say it's not beneficial to weightloss?

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What does this even mean??

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I mean that the workouts can make you put on muscle, even if you do light weight, high reps. That can cause the scale to not move like you'd like. That's all I meant.

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For someone that is 290#, doing high rep weight training as well as cardio training, it is not counter productive at all. The weight should be dripping off if your diet is right.

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At 290 pounds, depending on the person, they could have very little muscle and weight training is going to help build that and can cause stalls in the numbers on the scale.

It's not an exact science, and everyone is different.. everyone loses at different rates. What it comes down to is doing what works best for the individual and what they enjoy. I really enjoy my workouts. The type of training I do can burn 400 calories in 30 minutes thanks to compound exercises and intensity, and it kicks your metabolism into high gear. Of course, this is all what I've read and it hasn't translated into the results I've quite desired. I've seen some but not really what I wanted. I have nobody and nothing to blame but myself for that, though.

Anyway I started rambling..

If you started P90x or Crossfit tomorrow, your weight loss would be accelerated 10 fold.

do one of those for 3 months and you'd be a fool to tell me exercise doesn't have anything to do with weight loss.

I cant believe this thread has come to this.

You'd be 250# or less by September.

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It's not an exact science, and everyone is different.. everyone loses at different rates. What it comes down to is doing what works best for the individual and what they enjoy. I really enjoy my workouts. The type of training I do can burn 400 calories in 30 minutes thanks to compound exercises and intensity, and it kicks your metabolism into high gear. Of course, this is all what I've read and it hasn't translated into the results I've quite desired. I've seen some but not really what I wanted. I have nobody and nothing to blame but myself for that, though.

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Honestly, do you really think you know enough for formulate a good workout plan? You should seek a professional's help. Even 1 or 2 weeks with a trainer to show you what to do.

You probably "enjoy" working out because you you aren't maximizing your time in the gym. In your head you are telling yourself you are accomplishing more than what you are. "Oh man, im really getting it done" type of thing. You should be dropping pounds at a quicker rate if you are really putting good time in.

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At 290 pounds, depending on the person, they could have very little muscle and weight training is going to help build that and can cause stalls in the numbers on the scale.

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FACT: you will burn between 700-900 calories by running at a moderate pace for 1 hour.

NET GAIN: 900 calories!! WOO HOO! You'll be skinny as a rail in 2 weeks...but wait..

FACT: you will burn 100-300 calories by sitting at the computer, wralking to the bathrroom and doing normal shite..you know..what you're doing now already.

FACT: your effective net calorie loss is (900-200 = 700) ..and i'm using the HIGH END of this for your exercise and the LOW END for 'sedentary'.

NET GAIN: 700 calories.

Do you know what it feels like to run for a solid hour? Try doing this every single day as part of your new 'healthy' lifestyle.


Assuming you are a normal person, you will be freaking hungry after running for an hour. Guess how many calories are in an average sandwich from just about anyplace? 500-700.

NET CALOIRE GAIN: 100

oops

You gonna be full after that? You gonna skip the chips? drink? dessert? ..remember this is after sweating your arse off running for an hour.

NET CALORIE GAIN: 0 or -100 depending on if you can control yourself to stop.

Oh, and are you superman and can keep up this hour of running every day??

or will you get demotivated by [pick a reason]

[ ] you spend all day dreading the hassle of going running after work
[ ] you are embarrassed about being overweight and out running..even if you don't admit this out loud
[ ] you forget your clothes one day
[ ] you injure yourself (HIGHLY LIKELY AT 300 lbs)
[ ] you simply miss a few days and get out of the habit because you remember how much pain it is to run for an hour every day.

oh, but your appetite stays the same..yumm! i still want that subway and cookie because i've already gottene used to that..and thats alot easier to look forward to than working out.

NET WEIGHTLOSS: NONE

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you'll gain weight or lose nothing if you exercise and continue to eat to the point you feel 'satisfied'.

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That's cool and all, but far from a scientific fact.

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i'm trying to use real world examples, you're not.

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Ok, let's talk about you.

Why have you weighed 195# for so long?

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please explain what your 'workout' entails so i can be more precise

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Whatever you want it to be. Something so simple as 30mins of brisk walking 2 times a week. 3 days of 30 min cardio/30min weight training .

That's just basic.


Like i mentioned about p90x or Crossfit. In my scenario, and someone did these workouts consistently for those 6 months, ate the same thing as the other guy, who sat on the sofa for 6 months. Id laugh in your face. You couldnt be more clueless.

Hey Lester, a pic is worth 1,000 words.

See below, those are my stats. Hulk can verify these are real because he knows who I am.

A. Notice # of workouts a week I'm doing.
B. Notice # of hours/week
C. Notice all the freaking climbing I'm doing..this isn't easy riding..this is race training.

You wanna argue you can exercise more than me and this will create weightloss?

I'm 191 lbs today. I was 190 May 2011.

Continue with your strawman argument about how you're gonna workout to lose weight while I show you what you're talking about actually looks like after a solid year of insane amounts of exercise.

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You wanna argue you can exercise more than me and this will create weightloss?

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My god, you are so fricking stupid it is not even funny. I mean like literally retarded.


Since everyone is like you? Yea, that's it. That must mean that no can use exercise as weight loss tool.


You still keep ignoring my original hypothetical question. Of course. Because it makes you look like the dolt that you are.



You should really post your diet too. Id imagine if you ate what you eat now while riding, yet didn't ride, you'd be a fatass. Whether or not you eat the food for fuel or not. You're exercise has helped you maintain your weight despite a large consumption of food. THat alone makes your whole point bullshite

No one cares about your fruity arse cycling. You are now deflecting everything i said in attempt to brag. Yet you still haven't answered my original question.

I don't care if your cycling is tougher than Crossfit. That's not the point of this at all.


The point is you making stupid blanket statements based off your own personal fitness.

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You should really post your diet too. Id imagine if you ate what you eat now while riding, yet didn't ride, you'd be a fatass. Whether or not you eat the food for fuel or not. You're exercise has helped you maintain your weight despite a large consumption of food.

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wait...



give it up lester. you're better than this.

Let's play another hypothetical.



You and I are both 300lbs.


Everyday for 3 months, we eat the same thing: a big mac combo meal from McDonalds for lunch and dinner.


During this 3 months, I walk 3 miles per day, 5 days a week. You sit on the sofa and do zero exercise besides your normal everyday routine.




Which person is going to weigh more? after 3 months? me or you?