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re: One meat I struggle with smoking is the brisket.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:25 pm to AthensRattler
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:25 pm to AthensRattler
Cooling to 140 maybe something I have not done. Thank you
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:45 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Go subscribe to Aaron Franklin's Master Class. It's worth it.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 12:50 pm to Funreaux
Thought about doing that. Thank you
Posted on 2/28/21 at 1:51 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I'm trusting all your temperatures are accurate. With that said, I don't see anything wrong in your process. Do you mop the meat during the process? Have you tried a pan with foil on top instead of butcher paper just to check results? After reading about everyone's love for the butcher paper, I will be trying it in the next couple of weeks. Until now, I have used the pan when it was time to wrap (at 160-165 degrees)
Posted on 2/28/21 at 2:05 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Too many people over complicate cooking a brisket. I think a whole lot of it has to do with getting a good quality brisket despite what grade it is. It’s hard to polish a turd. However, I’ve smoked USDA Select, Choice and Prime to experiment with because the more you practice the more you learn. Oddly enough I’ve had the lesser grade like select occasionally taste as good or better than the prime. I do advocate buying the best cut of meat you can afford though. Too many people focus on a specific temperature. To me every brisket cooks differently so no one set temp rules apply all the time. You can feel when they are done because they are jiggly when you poke and squeeze them by hand. A meat probe slips in easy. A fork will slide in easily and turn clockwise. I’ve pulled briskets at 190 degrees to 205 degrees because my hands felt they were done. When I’ve had a hard time getting a quality cut of brisket I’ll get pissed and order one from Snake River Farms which that in and of itself will probably fix your problem if you can nail at least one good brisket down to gain your confidence back.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 2:12 pm to Earthquake 88
Something I have been experimenting with that I think other people should try is beef tallow. The scraps of fat you cut off during trimming of the brisket, put in cast iron or something else you don’t mind going in the smoker and render them down during the smoke along with the brisket. Use the juice from that and put that all over your wrapping paper and your brisket at wrapping.
I think this is something Franklin does, watch the 24 hours at Franklin YouTube video. When they probe the paper, all kinds of liquid comes out, it doesn’t look normal for just a moist brisket, but some other liquid added too. He talks about making tallow in other videos at his restaurant too.
Rewrapping before rest with more tallow might add some more flavor/moisture too. The delivery Franklin briskets had you use butter to reheat and get more moisture, tallow should have a better effect.
I think this is something Franklin does, watch the 24 hours at Franklin YouTube video. When they probe the paper, all kinds of liquid comes out, it doesn’t look normal for just a moist brisket, but some other liquid added too. He talks about making tallow in other videos at his restaurant too.
Rewrapping before rest with more tallow might add some more flavor/moisture too. The delivery Franklin briskets had you use butter to reheat and get more moisture, tallow should have a better effect.
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 2/28/21 at 2:19 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I’ve tried briskets twice on my Rectec so far (not prime). I like a good bark so I’m trying to go the no-wrap route. First time out I just followed the Rectec recipe straight up and cooked to 203 degrees (despite reading a bunch of threads here suggesting to pull at lower temps). Great bark, great smoke ring and smoky flavor, point was phenomenal as chopped beef sammiches, but the flat was disappointingly dry. The next time out, having read numerous threads suggesting pulling at 190-195, I pulled it at 193. Wrapped in foil and towels and put in a cooler for a couple hours. Same results as before. I’ve tried probing, but both times it felt like the probe slid in and out easily so I don’t have a feel for that yet.
I’ll keep trying different things but don’t want to wrap and lose the nice bark. The sliced flat still tastes good, just too tough. When it goes in the fridge for leftovers, I drizzle a little beef broth over it to keep it from drying out excessively in the fridge, but that isn’t how I want to achieve moist sliced brisket. Next time out I’ll try to get a prime cut, and will try to get a better feel for probing for doneness.
Literally everything else I’ve smoked on the Rectec was an easy slam dunk. The brisket will apparently take more work and experience. Both of the first two were well worth it for the point alone though.
I’ll keep trying different things but don’t want to wrap and lose the nice bark. The sliced flat still tastes good, just too tough. When it goes in the fridge for leftovers, I drizzle a little beef broth over it to keep it from drying out excessively in the fridge, but that isn’t how I want to achieve moist sliced brisket. Next time out I’ll try to get a prime cut, and will try to get a better feel for probing for doneness.
Literally everything else I’ve smoked on the Rectec was an easy slam dunk. The brisket will apparently take more work and experience. Both of the first two were well worth it for the point alone though.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 2:20 pm to Soul Gleaux
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I use an offset, and try to stick with prime. Smoke at 275, wrap with butcher paper at 160. Keep water pan full. I check how it feels at internal temp of 200, but sometimes I have to take it to 205. I get consistent, good results as far as tenderness, moist, and nice bark.
I do similar. Can't do a true offset on my Primo, but I use a water pan, wrap at 165, and rest at 200. I mainly cook flats and season them the night before. When I wrap, I include some beef broth or au jus that I saved from the last brisket. For the last one I did, I sauteed a diced onion, tomato, and chipoltle peppers in Adobo sauce, then added au jus from the last brisket. Sometimes, to crisp it up, I will unwrap and let it sit nekkid on the grill for a few minutes, before rewrapping and resting.
I typically cook at 225-250, but a couple of times I've cooked at around 300 and it turned out fine. Just have to wrap at the right time.
The first couple of briskets either turned out flavorful, but dry or it was just roast beef, nothing special. With the procedure described above, it compares with anything I've found in the Atlanta BBQ places.
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 2/28/21 at 2:51 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
You're cooking it fine. Are you sure you're slicing it properly? Against the grain? I make a couple shallow cuts before seasoning so I can see the muscle fibers and know where to make my cuts after it's done.
Not slicing it properly can cause changes in texture, loss of moisture, etc.
ETA: A common mistake people often make is they slice perpendicular to the edge of the flat, when in reality the muscle fibers normally run towards the tip of the flat, meaning you should start off the slices at an angle.
Not slicing it properly can cause changes in texture, loss of moisture, etc.
ETA: A common mistake people often make is they slice perpendicular to the edge of the flat, when in reality the muscle fibers normally run towards the tip of the flat, meaning you should start off the slices at an angle.
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 2/28/21 at 3:44 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
How long are you letting the brisket rest after you pull it from the smoker? I've noticed a big improvement going from 1 hour to 3-4 hours of rest.
I leave mine wrapped in butcher paper, place in an icechest stuffed with old towels to take up air space. It stays piping hot for hours.
I leave mine wrapped in butcher paper, place in an icechest stuffed with old towels to take up air space. It stays piping hot for hours.
This post was edited on 2/28/21 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 2/28/21 at 4:10 pm to Dam Guide
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The scraps of fat you cut off during trimming of the brisket, put in cast iron or something else you don’t mind going in the smoker and render them down during the smoke along with the brisket. Use the juice from that and put that all over your wrapping paper and your brisket at wrapping.
I did exactly this, now I have a full mason jar with extra rendered beef fat. The moisture level was off the charts on this brisket.
I found that the last brisket I did, I left more fat than I really wanted to make sure I kept moisture level up, but I got a little unwanted fat on the finished product. This one I took the fat down a little further than normal, but it rendered and barked great, and the small amount of extra rendered fat did a great job of keeping everything moist. When I went to slice it I had a good quarter inch of rendered fat in the paper.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 4:11 pm to RushHour
I believe I have only done about 1-2 hours and going to let it rest longer after some of the posts here thank you
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:06 pm to SpotCheckBilly
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Can't do a true offset on my Primo
I cooked on a Primo XL for 13+ years back in ATL, far superior to the 2 yr old L BGE that came with my new house. Sweet spot was 13-14 lb full brisket. Put fire box divider in, double some HD foil where the grill grates meet above the divider to help retard direct heat from fire, put lump/chunks in left side of firebox, put brisket perpendicular on right side (no fire beneath) and trim some of the end of the flat if needed, put water pan over the lump. 7-8 hours in turn brisket 180 degrees to ensure even cooking (will probably be hotter on ceramic end nearest meat) and always had good to great results between 215-240 degree cook temps. I wouldn't bother just cooking flats, like the point too much.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:10 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
This is how I smoke mine and it comes out great. I only do flat cause its just me and my wife (no pics). I have a rectec 700 and an oklahoma joe bronco. If using pellets I like using a mix of lumber jack hickory and lumberjack cherry. I also use a smoke tube. If you dont have one by all means get one. Add a ton of smoke. I dont care what anyone says, it will never be like a stick burner. And for me it takes forever to smoke something on pellet grill vs my oklahoma bronco. That this is by for the most efficient smoker Ive ever used. But sorry for the tangent
I use a light coat of mustard then season with Killer hogs AP or Cosomos Texas Beef. Or make my own with kosher salt, garlic powder and pepper.
Get smoker to temp then throw her on there. Put probe in the thickest part. When it stalls, or shortly after, I wrap in foil but before I wrap, I take some of the same seasoning i used and mix it with water. Make it pretty stout but not overwhelming. I bring the foil up around all the sides then pour that around the brisket then wrap tightly.
I then bring it up to 205. I let it rest for at least an hour in a small cooler with a towwel on the bottom. Thats very important. Take it out and serve. If for some reason its not juicy as frick, take that juice in the bottom and pour over the strips. Most of mine are so juicy its not needed but depending on the meat, it might be very very lean. That just ensures everything.
I use a light coat of mustard then season with Killer hogs AP or Cosomos Texas Beef. Or make my own with kosher salt, garlic powder and pepper.
Get smoker to temp then throw her on there. Put probe in the thickest part. When it stalls, or shortly after, I wrap in foil but before I wrap, I take some of the same seasoning i used and mix it with water. Make it pretty stout but not overwhelming. I bring the foil up around all the sides then pour that around the brisket then wrap tightly.
I then bring it up to 205. I let it rest for at least an hour in a small cooler with a towwel on the bottom. Thats very important. Take it out and serve. If for some reason its not juicy as frick, take that juice in the bottom and pour over the strips. Most of mine are so juicy its not needed but depending on the meat, it might be very very lean. That just ensures everything.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:14 pm to Dam Guide
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Something I have been experimenting with that I think other people should try is beef tallow. The scraps of fat you cut off during trimming of the brisket, put in cast iron or something else you don’t mind going in the smoker and render them down during the smoke along with the brisket. Use the juice from that and put that all over your wrapping paper and your brisket at wrapping.
This will absolutely work. Tallow is a little hard to obtain where I live. For me that’s a ask my butcher purchase. You are correct to Franklin also uses butter if he does not have tallow. If you mail order a cooked Franklin brisket it comes in wrapped in butcher paper and the instructions say put butter on it and reheat slowly in the oven to 160 degrees but 140 or so works fine.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:18 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Brisket quits taking up smoke after about 3 hours. The ring is in and the bark will continue developing while it finishes. Take it off the smoker at three hours, wrap it tightly in foil or butcher paper, and finish in a 350 oven until it hits temp, I usually pull at 203F. Probe it in several places to make sure its done, then cover with a towel or put in ice chest for at least 1 hour. Perfect every time, and usually in less than 8 hours.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:26 pm to TigrrrDad
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I’ll keep trying different things but don’t want to wrap and lose the nice bark.
Wrap in butcher paper if you want your bark not to get soggy. I have dry flat issues occasionally and it drives me nuts. It’s hard sometimes to find a packer with a big, fat, thick flat close to equal thickness of the point. I swear sometimes I think meat packing companies keep the thick flat packers and sell them to restaurants.
I think picking the right brisket at the store is just as important as cooking the thing.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:28 pm to Earthquake 88
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I’ll keep trying different things but don’t want to wrap and lose the nice bark.
You could just unwrap and smoke it for a little while to bring it back.
Posted on 2/28/21 at 5:31 pm to TigrrrDad
Thank you to everyone and your tips, methods, tricks, etc.
I will continue to try them and work on getting a good brisket.
You all rock
I will continue to try them and work on getting a good brisket.
You all rock
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