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Moonshiners & Spirits

Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:14 pm
I have become extremely interested in the TV show Moonshiners. Fascinating they fetch at least $25 a quart. With a little change in process all sorts of liquor can be made.

I know it’s illegal but there are many companies selling stills. I am just curious if anyone “has a friend” who makes any sort of spirit that comes out half way decent.

Posted by scott8811
Ratchet City, LA
Member since Oct 2014
11326 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 2:17 pm to
I used to work with a woman who's family made shine.... they made a few different flavors, but I really just enjoyed the straight up corn liquor... it was hot as hell but was really good over a good bit of ice.

After a sale or 2 she gave me a jar of some stuff they had been aging in a small barrel for about 2 years.... amazing!!!
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
13245 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

s. Fascinating they fetch at least $25 a quart

I think that's all a ruse. $20 a fifth for shine doesn't seem like such a great deal to me.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101388 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

$20 a fifth for shine doesn't seem like such a great deal to me.


Move to a dry rural county in Appalachia, where you have to drive an hour+ over winding mountain roads to get to the nearest liquor store, and see if you feel the same way.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38680 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:17 pm to
A lot of people are home distilling like home beer brewers. You can buy all the equipment online and apparently if you aren't selling the revenuers don't care.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13536 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

I think that's all a ruse. $20 a fifth for shine doesn't seem like such a great deal to me.


Well its 165 proof so its like 2.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171036 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 3:23 pm to
The most disappointing thing about going to a WVU game a couple years ago was their fans asking if we wanted to try some moonshine and then giving us the ole smoky type shite. I was like wtf where's the homemade shite? I can buy this at home.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15092 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 4:03 pm to
I mentioned this in another thread today about what do you drink.

I was up in Maggie Valley in the spring of 06 at a motorcycle rally and Popcorn Sutton and a buddy of his stopped by the motel/campgrounds we were using as headquarters and sold a bunch of his product there 2 days in a row. He sold it in pints, quarts and gallons. I went through 2 quarts of it over the 6 days I was there and a buddy of mine opted to buy a gallon.

Crystal clear, smooth as silk going down, but definitely warmed up the gut once there.

I've had some stuff out of Thibodeaux last year that was sweet, fruit based shine and it was OK, but too sweet for my taste in liquor.
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
13245 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 4:06 pm to
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Well its 165 proof

No it's not. At least it's not according to the show. They proof it down to 80-90 proof like most other liquor.
Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14181 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 4:51 pm to
Go to Gatlinburg and buy legal Shine.

Anyone would be insane to sell to you over this website.
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 4:52 pm to
Then that would make it vodka!

I’m not about wanting to profit from moonshine. However, there has to be some sort of money in this to have a show dedicated to moonshine for over 5 years.

I am more interested to know if homemade shine or any homemade spirits can be of quality that is comparable to what is bought of the shelf at a store. That is more the intrigue for me.
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 4:54 pm to
MD. I’m not interested in buying it, I’m more interested in the process of making it and if homemade spirits can be produced in quality as much as one can buy off the shelf at a store. No different then trying to cook any certain type of food at home and try and replicate the restaurant.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 5:08 pm
Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14181 posts
Posted on 2/14/19 at 5:21 pm to
There are lots of mash recipes if you want to make sour mash. Other grain recipes are available also.

The still can be a problem. Be very careful what you buy. Since it is illegal to make a still specifically for making distilled spirits, your still shop might use lead solder in construction, which is legal for a "decoration", but a producer of lead poisoned liquor if used for home distilling

Some people may use glass stills and I have heard that exerts claim the copper adds a flavor to the distilled liquor. I have also heard that a still has a break in period after which it will produce a fairly consistent product.

You can purchase white oak barrels with charred interiors from several companies on the web. To make brown whiskey, you need to age it for a period of time in a charred interior oak barrel, and the preferred wood is white oak. The barrels are expensive and require a place for storage that you don't mind smelling like whiskey, because the aroma and a portion of the whiskey leaches through the oak as the product ages.

Aging varies widely, 2 years to as much time as you like (30-40 years has been done).

You might try purchasing grain alcohol and setting it aside in a charred oak barrel for a couple of years. That will produce grain whiskey. I am unaware of corn alcohol that is not whiskey, but you might find some. Most corn alcohol that is not aged in oak is probably called white lightening.

It is had to buy a used barrel from a distillery, because most of them are sold to use for aging wine, now,

An experiment you might enjoy would be to fill a food safe plastic container with grain alcohol and drop a charred piece (100 percent of the exterior surface of the piece) of white oak into your alcohol, seal the container and come back in 6 months to a year to sample your product. If you use grain alcohol from the liquor store, this will be 100% legal, it just won't be corn whiskey. If I did this, I would not cut the proof away from absolute ethanol until I was finished and ready to drink. I would use distilled water to cut the absolute. Distilled water has no taste, or the least taste.

That's all I have - Good luck.
This post was edited on 2/14/19 at 7:51 pm
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 7:14 am to
Thanks MD!

Anyone else “knows someone” who makes their own spirits with all you whiskey, Bourbon, Rum drinkers? I’m curious to see if the backyard stuff can be replicated to taste like the good stuff.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 7:43 am to
quote:

MD. I’m not interested in buying it, I’m more interested in the process of making it and if homemade spirits can be produced in quality as much as one can buy off the shelf at a store. No different then trying to cook any certain type of food at home and try and replicate the restaurant.


start with this UJSSM and progress how you wish, I am on a rum cycle right now, but feel free to ask any questions you wish.

Homedistiller.org has the best info you will ever find.

https://homedistiller.org/
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa
Member since Aug 2012
13536 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:12 am to
quote:


No it's not. At least it's not according to the show. They proof it down to 80-90 proof like most other liquor.




What I have had was 165+. I am not sure about the TV show, i'm talking about what I have tasted. Dude has a hydrometer and shows you.

First drips out of still are even higher but usually has a foul taste and are discarded.
Posted by Big_Sur
Member since Nov 2012
1115 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 4:16 pm to
I can answer your questions.

No, you will not make commercial-quality spirits in a home still. Even s setup like https://www.hillbillystills.com/Hillbilly-Flute-6-plate-p/2667.htm will produce a spirit with a very distinct "banana" smell.

You can greatly improve the taste by charcoal filtering, but that only gets you so far.

Essentially, to create truly clean/good vodka it requires ~21-22 distillations. Each plate in a column like that one from Hillbilly Stills is a separate distillation. Major vodka producers are able to achieve great results in a single run through a very tall column. You would have to run your spirit through the 6 plater 4x, each time re-diluting with water as you need to fill the still with ~80 proof. This is neither time nor energy efficient.

Source: A company I founded is on this list: https://www.ttb.gov/foia/xls/frl-spirits-producers-and-bottlers.htm I've personally, legally distilled tens of thousands of gallons of wash into vodka and gin.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted by Big_Sur
Member since Nov 2012
1115 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

hydrometer


Unless you also have a calibrated thermometer, a hydrometer is useless. Also you'll need this PDF https://www.ttb.gov/foia/Gauging_Manual_Tables/Table_1.pdf
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 4:49 pm to
Thanks Big_Sur. That’s what I am looking for. So, what makes the difference between having a good quality still and commercial sold products? Is it filtering and the multiple distillations only or other steps? Looking at commercial stills versus home stills seems to be just size and volume.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 5:12 pm
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 7:19 pm to
I would simply go with a pot still, much easier to run unless you wish to produce vodka/gin.

Tasteless spirits are not my bag though
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