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tduecen
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Issues for Trillium Brewing?
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The accusations first appeared in a thread on Beer Advocate early Wednesday morning, wherein posters were discussing various gripes with the famed NE-IPA producing company. As commenters posted various theories on the brand’s supposedly changed “fermentation profile” and how it’s negatively affected Trillium beers in recent months, an account by the name of @abagofit appeared and laid out a long list of grievances from his/her time as a former employee, calling out Trillium owners JC and Esther Tetreault by name. To cite a couple of those passages:

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I can say that everything posted about employee wages and benefits being cut is true. JC and Esther have absolutely no respect for the people working for them, all they care about is $$$. Guess you can’t really blame them, it is a business after all. They are well aware of the fact that people want the “prestige” of working for a top brewery and are willing to be underpaid to build the resume. You can probably count on one hand the number of people who have lasted more than 3 years. Trillium started paying $5/hr instead of $8/hr to new retail staff right around the time the greenway first opened, so this isn’t just because of the restaurant. However, any longstanding employees of the Congress st location were indeed given a pay cut for their years of service.

Let me say that again, after working for trillium for 3+ years, employees were (after interviewing for the jobs they already had) offered $3/hr less to work the exact same job across the street. That may not sound like a lot, but that is a 37.5% cut that would be ~$6000 a year for full time staff. At the end of the day, this is not illegal, it’s just shitty.




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Compare that to the likes of Vermont’s Lawson’s Finest Liquids, which states its policy is to employ a “no-tip” model by “offering our full-time employees generous living wages with benefits,” while simultaneously donating all tips to charity.


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Trillium has however been involved with at least one blatantly illegal practice. Did you guys ever try the frozen Mexican sunrise beer? Ever wonder how they got that distinct tequila flavor? Lots of customers did too and let me tell you it was awkward as hell having to skirt that question or outright lie to the customers. At first we were telling customers that it was a wild ale aged in tequila barrels, but then customers started asking which barrels we were using. I asked the general manager, Matt Gartska what barrels we aged the beer in and his response, “Idk dude just make something up!” If you haven’t figured it out yet, there were no tequila barrels. They straight up dumped tequila into the kegs. I’m no lawyer, but I know that is illegal. Trillium knows it too because eventually they just told us to stop acknowledging the tequila flavor or to tell the customers it was “brewers magic”.
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 JC Tetreault also appeared in the members-only “Trillium Brewing Fans” Facebook group and made the following comment, saying only that the Beer Advocate thread was “unbelievable,” and promising future response. The lack of a more direct denial here of any aspect of @abagofit’s post does loom rather large.
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The Boston Globe has now picked up on the story, summarizing the content of the Beer Advocate thread while also including some more statements from employees and former employees, including one short statement from JC Tetreault.

Said one quoted employee, speaking to the flood of workers leaving Trillium after their wages were decreased following “promotions”:

“People are leaving. We had one member of the retail team at Fort Point for over three years, who, when presented with her offer, declined,” said one employee, who asked that his name not be published to protect his employment. “We’re dissatisfied because the number that we’ve been getting in our checks has dropped, and not insignificantly.”


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“We made a mistake,” said JC Tetreault, who founded and owns Trillium with his wife, Esther, in 2013. “To have people not feel valued, that makes me feel terrible . . . I’m pretty heartbroken as to how we got to this point.”
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
Parish:

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AbitaFan08
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Don’t worry, they’ll be fine. They’ll increase the pay for retail workers to combat the bad press, I’d imagine. And they can afford it. Every time I go it’s packed to the brim.

I will say, however, that it’s BS that the retail workers are classified as service workers. Whenever I go and spend $100 on bottles and cans, you shouldn’t be expected to tip 15% for someone to just hand them to you and ring you up. I’ll give a few bucks, but that’s it.

ETA - the food at the new location’s restaurant is insanely good. Not your typical bar food.
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tduecen
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
Parish buying the lot next door for a restaurant, or just open one in their eventual new home of Houston


rutiger
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Parish buying the lot next door for a restaurant, or just open one in their eventual new home of Houston




Blah blah blah.

How did i know this was going to turn into a shite on parish thread, because tigerdroppings.


USEyourCURDS
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Love me a good Parish thread


RonFNSwanson
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He should just change the title now and get this party started


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L Boogie
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I was talking about this yesterday with a couple of our brewers.

The wage thing sucks, but the employees knew what they were getting into and agreed to the terms.

The tequila thing is bad, though. That is SUPER illegal.

One of our guys thinks it might just be a disgruntled ex-employee starting a smear campaign because he got fired or quit due to the pay cut. I guess we'll see if anyone else comes forward.


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Parish


And charging $23 for a 4 pack, more than trillion. Outrageous


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ragincajun03
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or just open one in their eventual new home of Houston


Rumor has it that Fort Bend County is going to give them a sweat deal on property taxes to relocate its headquarters.

Sorry, Louisiana.


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AbitaFan08
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
Yeah the tequila thing is definitely a big no no, if true. I had never even heard of that one, so it must have been a really small production.

I get that the employees agreed to the terms, but that doesn't mean the terms aren't fricked up. I'd understand if it was a small, upstart brewery that was barely making a profit, but there's no reason for Trillium to do this outside of just trying to increase already outrageous profit margins.


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I don't really care about wages at one company in Boston, but needless to say, the memes have been lit.


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L Boogie
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
I totally agree. The wage thing really sucks but the company can get away with it because they can argue that the employees agreed to the terms.

We make an awesome hourly at my place, in addition to tips, so it feels great to know that my employers value what we bring to the table and treat us with respect. Trillium's beer is great and all, but I'd rather my environment than theirs.


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tduecen
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tduecen
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
Wonder why they would agree with it, or was it one of those things where if you didn't agree, you thought you would lose your job.

They have 3 employees on record about being upset about wage thing, only one from BA mentioned tequila thing. Curious which beer it was now and if I could seek it out for a trade.


pjab
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
My experience with Trillium is limited. I never been to their places. Keytar Bear is awesome. I expected their IPAs to be better considering the hype and growth. One of their permutations was a straight drain pour.

It’s their business, treat employees how you wish (legally of course). If you cut pay and benefits just know that’s a short term fix.
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L Boogie
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
I honestly have no idea, I just heard about all of this yesterday.

I know a guy who works there, but he's a brewer so I'm assuming the wage cuts don't apply to him. Maybe I'm wrong.

I still love their beer, and will continue to drink it.


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weskarl
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I’d be curious what servers make at Row 34 or something similar in the area. Rent isn’t cheap, neither are their prices at the restaurant. Higher tickets, potentially higher tips. With 3 locations they aren’t exactly the neighborhood boot strap start up either. JC might have other investors he has to answer to as well.

Isn’t there already a small limit on how many you can consume at Canton?

This issue grew some legs - I bet they get a bump soon:
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Interesting takes on reddit

ETA: lol
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tduecen
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re: Issues for Trillium Brewing?
Whoa
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Speaking of those frozen beers, did you ever wonder how they made money on them? Probably not because you assume people ordered them, they didn't. Trillium wasn't concerned however because those slushies were made with leftover beer that had too much trub to sell in a glass. Hell some of the times it was just low fill bottles they couldn't sell (oxidation, etc.) but throw enough fruit juice in their and people will love it! Remember cellar Sunday samples? Those ended when they realized they could sell misfills as frozen bs instead. Yes those samples you tried were beers not good enough to sell.

While we're on the subject of beer not fit to sell, let's talk about growlers. Trillium growlers are almost exclusively filled with beer from trub kegs. For those that don't know, trub is the hop/yeast particulate that settles on the bottom of the fermenter. All the "good" beer goes into cans and taproom kegs. The last few kegs of each batch are full of trub and those get allocated to growlers.

Part of the reason that growlers are not for sale the same day as cans is that those trub kegs need to sit for a couple days so that the trub settles on the bottom. Then you can fill a good number of growlers until you hit the really gross stuff. How is it determined if it's good enough? A manager taste tests it until the burn goes away. Yes I'm serious. Hopefully this ends the can vs growler debate, the growlers are decidedly inferior product. I guess if you like a more raw hop/vegetal slightly astringent flavor then by all means go for the growlers.




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