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Posted on 3/1/16 at 6:22 pm to
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 6:22 pm to
Speaking of kettle sours, I tried my kettle soured hibiscus ale a few minutes ago. It'll be a killer hot weather beer. It's super grapefruity.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
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Posted on 3/1/16 at 6:59 pm to
Speaking of kettle soured beers, I'll be hitting up Blue Owl in Austin next week. Looking forward to trying different styles all kettle soured
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 8:27 am to
quote:

Speaking of kettle sours, I tried my kettle soured hibiscus ale a few minutes ago. It'll be a killer hot weather beer. It's super grapefruity.



Is there any difference in finished beer of a kettle soured beer and a cold side soured beer? Assuming we're talking about berliner/Gose type beers?
Posted by Canuck Tiger
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:15 am to
It must be kettle sour season! I decided to make a Berliner weisse, and elected to grow a large wy5335 starter, do a normal boil last night, and pitched into a CO2 purged keg to sour it. It's going to stay at around 92 it looks like for 6-7 days in the sealed keg then I'll rack it to a carboy and add a healthy cake of wl644 "Brett" trois to finish it.

I have an aquarium heater in my mash tun to control temps for the souring; seems to be working out well

Posted by BugAC
St. George
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:17 am to
Well my sour isn't going to be kettle soured, but i do have a question.

The plan is to primary ferment with a Belgian Saison Sach strain. Mash high at 154. Then after primary, rack to a secondary and pitch a packet of Lacto Brevis, Brett B, and some bottle dregs i have saved up.

What ferm temps should i be using for the lacto b. and brett b. secondary?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:23 am to
That I'm unsure of. The few berliner's I've done have been long ferments with lacto and brett, and the hibiscus kettle sour (my first) was done with lacto and sacch. The long ferments had funk playing with the lactic acid, so there was some complexity there. I can't imagine there being that much of a difference between the final products, but I'm unsure.
Posted by Canuck Tiger
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:37 am to
That sounds similar to the golden sour I have going now, but I used a copitch of roesalare blend, a Belgian abbey yeast cake, some geuze bottle dregs, and some additional Brett dregs to try and get the sourness more assertive than doing it in secondary only. I'm holding at 65F ambient and expect the beer to take 12-15 months to develop. At the moment it's not too sour but very much Brett-y funk. My blend has Pedio for acidity which takes a while to get going I believe
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 10:52 am to
quote:

That sounds similar to the golden sour I have going now, but I used a copitch of roesalare blend, a Belgian abbey yeast cake, some geuze bottle dregs, and some additional Brett dregs to try and get the sourness more assertive than doing it in secondary only. I'm holding at 65F ambient and expect the beer to take 12-15 months to develop. At the moment it's not too sour but very much Brett-y funk. My blend has Pedio for acidity which takes a while to get going I believe



I posed this question on milk the funk as well and they advice to bitch the sach/brett/lacto all at once in the primary and ferment at 68-70, which i think i will do.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 3/3/16 at 3:16 pm to
I've decided to take the day off tomorrow and brew a beer. Been working too much recently and want to not worry about getting the beer brewed over the weekend.

Brewing a Cream Ale to add almond extract and maybe some lactose to for Zapp's

10 lbs Franco Belge Pislner
2 lbs North Carolina Wheat

Mashed at 152 for some body.

30 ibus of Chinook hops at 60

WLP 001 Cali Ale

Should be a fairly easy beer to brew. Haven't looked at the weather, hopefully the weather cooperates
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/3/16 at 3:45 pm to
quote:

Brewing a Cream Ale to add almond extract and maybe some lactose to for Zapp's



As you can tell by our beer name, we're doing something similar with toasted coconut.

Never used lactose before. What's the thought on amounts for it?
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/3/16 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

Never used lactose before. What's the thought on amounts for it?



I was thinking a couple of ounces possibly. I am going to wait until kegging the beer before adding the lactose. I am not convinced I will need it for mouthfeel, and since it doesnt ferment there is no reason not to add once the process is over
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/3/16 at 4:04 pm to
quote:

I was thinking a couple of ounces possibly. I am going to wait until kegging the beer before adding the lactose. I am not convinced I will need it for mouthfeel, and since it doesnt ferment there is no reason not to add once the process is over



Thanks. I wouldn't even know where to look to try to find out how to and how much lactose to use.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:22 am to
So considering this hop bill

12 lbs 4.0 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 9 86.0 %
12.0 oz Borlander Munich Malt (Briess) (10.0 SRM Grain 10 5.3 %
12.0 oz Honey Malt (Gambrinus) (25.0 SRM) Grain 11 5.3 %
8.0 oz Vienna (BestMälz) (4.1 SRM) Grain 12 3.5 %
1.00 oz Magnum [12.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 13 35.7 IBUs
1.00 oz HopShot [10.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 14 27.1 IBUs
1.50 oz Amarillo [0.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40. Hop 15 0.0 IBUs
1.50 oz Citra [0.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 40.0 m Hop 16 0.0 IBUs
1.50 oz Mosaic (HBC 369) [0.00 %] - Steep/Whirlp Hop 17 0.0 IBUs
0.75 oz Centennial [0.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 4 Hop 18 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg California Ale (White Labs #WLP001) [35. Yeast 19 -
1.50 oz Amarillo [9.20 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 20 0.0 IBUs
1.50 oz Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 21 0.0 IBUs
1.50 oz Mosaic (HBC 369) [12.25 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Hop 22 0.0 IBUs
0.25 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days Hop 23 0.0 IBUs


Was thinking about adding an ounce of citra whole cone hops in the keg. Yay or nay?
This post was edited on 3/4/16 at 11:23 am
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:43 am to
That many hops is not my forte. Cannot help you there.

It is an amazing day to be outside brewing. Glorious weather.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
102500 posts
Posted on 3/4/16 at 11:47 am to
quote:

It is an amazing day to be outside brewing. Glorious weather.


Yeah, I'm jealous.

We'll be brewing tomorrow after the farmer's market.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 3/5/16 at 9:40 am to
I got the brewing bug bad at the moment. After brewing yesterday I went out to LA Homebrew to get the stuff to start another sour. Ideally making this one move quickly. Plan is to do a simple grain bill of 8 lbs pils and 4 lbs wheat. I think I will stand next to the kettle and say the word hops which should be enough ibus. Then pitch giga yeast lactose for a day or two then go in with a brett starter. Two weeks fermentation then rack onto some frozen Plums for another two weeks.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/5/16 at 9:46 am to
That sounds good. Heating up strike water now. First time using gram scale and pH meter.

I was using a lot less water salts than I was supposed to estimating based on volume.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
28414 posts
Posted on 3/5/16 at 10:16 am to
I like where your head is at.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15153 posts
Posted on 3/5/16 at 10:21 am to
Am I doing this right?

Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
28414 posts
Posted on 3/5/16 at 8:29 pm to
I'm going to need to see it out to the hundredth. You could be at 5.18 for all I know.

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