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re: Homebrewing: In-Process Thread

Posted on 8/13/13 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 8/13/13 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

My one question so far is this: will a 5 gallon carboy be too big (too much headspace) for a 2.5-3 gallon batch?


No, It'll be fine.

Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 1:57 pm to
I have an old slim 1/4 keg at the house. Any ideas of what to use it for? I think they are 7.5 gallons.

I have a keggle in storage, and another keg i need to do work on to make it brew ready. So this 3rd smaller keg is open for ideas.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 2:00 pm to
quote:

I have an old slim 1/4 keg at the house. Any ideas of what to use it for? I think they are 7.5 gallons.


You could turn it into a fermentor if you wanted to spend the money to get the connections and such. You could sell it to a friend of mine who uses sanke kegs to keg homebrew. You could fill it up yourself and use it. Decoration?
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15944 posts
Posted on 8/13/13 at 4:16 pm to
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No, It'll be fine.




Might roll with small batches on a breakfast stout and black IPA then
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:49 am to
So i have my oatmeal stout recipe designed. But i'm starting to think that i may brew an ale version of an oktoberfest/marzen first. Here's what i'm thinking

Grain Bill

Base Malt (78-82%)
Munich (20%)
Vienna (25%)
Pilsner/German Pilsen (45%)


Specialty Malt (10-15%)
Caramunich (3%) - Color, richness,
Carabohemian (3%)- fuller body and aroma
Rye (4%) - dry crispness

Hops 26-35 IBU's
Saaz and Tettnang

Yeast
WLP036 Dusseldort Alt
WLP029 German Ale/Kolsch
Wyeast 1450 "Denny's Favorite 50"
- Leaning towards the WLP036
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 11:46 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27092 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:52 am to
quote:

Any ideas of what to use it for? I think they are 7.5 gallons


Sounds like a good size for a HLT if you don't already have one.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27092 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:57 am to
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an ale version of an oktoberfest/marzen


I have brewed a few ale marzens and have never been happy with them. Just a couple months ago I dumped 1/3 of a keg of one because it had sat there just taking up space and not being consumed.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:58 am to
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I have brewed a few ale marzens and have never been happy with them. Just a couple months ago I dumped 1/3 of a keg of one because it had sat there just taking up space and not being consumed.


What was the problem with them?
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27092 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:22 am to
They were never able to get that crisp, dry finish. Stayed sweet the whole time. I want to say I used Wyeast 1007 for the last one and fermented it around 59 or 60 and still somehow came out with some mild esters. I want to say I used this grain bill and hop schedule for both of them.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 10:37 am to
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never able to get that crisp, dry finish. Stayed sweet the whole time.


That was my concern with using strickly munich and vienna. I actually thought about pilsner malt. Maybe i'll do either a maris otter base or 2 row, with a little munich/vienna. Cut the percentages down and get rid of the crystal malt.

Edited original recipe
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 10:52 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27092 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:17 am to
When I was in Germany a few weeks back I much preferred their paler marzens as compared to our amber/copper marzens. Drinkability was very high and I knocked back two liters before I realized I was drunk and had to piss.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:25 am to
quote:

That was my concern with using strickly munich and vienna. I actually thought about pilsner malt. Maybe i'll do either a maris otter base or 2 row, with a little munich/vienna. Cut the percentages down and get rid of the crystal malt.



IMO if you are going to try to make a German beer, you should use German ingredients. So stick with the Pils/Vienna rather than the Maris Otter. I think the Maris Otter will put you closer to a British biscuit taste rather than the less malty sweet beer you are looking for. then use Caramunich/vienne rather than British Crystal.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:44 am to
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IMO if you are going to try to make a German beer, you should use German ingredients. So stick with the Pils/Vienna rather than the Maris Otter. I think the Maris Otter will put you closer to a British biscuit taste rather than the less malty sweet beer you are looking for. then use Caramunich/vienne rather than British Crystal.


I had those same thoughts. I looked at my ingredients and realized the maris otter was the only non-german thing there.

I'll strike the maris otter, and use either pilsner or german pilsen. I already took out the crystal.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52787 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 11:46 am to
Grain Bill

Base Malt
Munich (20%)
Vienna (25%)
Pilsner/German Pilsen (45%)


Specialty Malt (10-15%)
Caramunich (3%) - Color, richness,
Carabohemian/caravienne (3%)- fuller body and aroma
Rye (4%) - dry crispness

Hops 26-35 IBU's
Saaz and Tettnang

Yeast
WLP036 Dusseldort Alt
or
WLP029 German Ale/Kolsch
This post was edited on 8/14/13 at 11:48 am
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 8:57 pm to
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For sure.

80% Pils
10% Munich Munich
10% Wheat Malt

18 IBU Hallertauer @ 60 (1 oz for 5 gal)
4.6 IBU EK Golding @ 15 (0.50 oz for 5 gal)
0.4 IBU EK Golding @ Flameout (0.50 oz for 5 gal)

Wyeast 3711 @ 70 degrees for a few weeks

Transferred to secondary for fruit infusion. Used 3 lbs strawberries and 3 lbs mango. I cut up all the fruit and did a few freeze/thaw cycles then racked on top. I want to say it sat there for 2-3 weeks on the fruit, but might have even been a month. I should have taken notes but didn't.


I just got the call that my $10 15 gallon fermenter is ready for pickup and I am thinking of doing a 12 gallon batch of simple saison. Probably something like:

65% Two-row
15% Wheat
last 20% some combo of Caramunich, acid malt and oats.

I would like to use Amarillo hops but the brew store guy said they are hard to come by. I'll then secondary half on some fruit.

I also need to figure out my black pumpkin saison and brew it at some point really soon.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
15944 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

my $10 15 gallon fermenter is ready for pickup


Now what now?
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38681 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:07 pm to
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I would like to use Amarillo hops but the brew store guy said they are hard to come by



They can be had on the webs.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27092 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:08 pm to
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$10 15 gallon fermenter


That would end up costing me $1000 in other upgrades by the time it's all said and done.


Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:19 pm to
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They can be had on the webs.



Hops Direct says this fall, you see anything that you like? Maybe we can split shipping.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19809 posts
Posted on 8/14/13 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

Now what now?


That is what I said I wasn't so sure about it but there was a waiting list and it was only $10. I'm going to split the 1st batch with another guy. We will bottle his half and secondary my half on fruit.
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