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help with making a roux
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:25 pm
Im new to the F&D board so please take it easy on me. I tried to make a roux last night for the first time and couldnt get it dark enough. I spent ab an 90 minutes on it a barely got it to a pecan color. Its also very gritty. I finally gave up on it but would like to know what I did wrong. Also, it's very gritty.
I started off with 1 cup oil veg oil on medium heat, got the veg oil hot and began to slowly add in 1 cup of flour. I would add approx 1/4 of a cup at a time and stir until it was dissolved then i would add some more. Once i added the whole cup I turned the temp to low and stirred continously for 55 minutes without it really changing colors (was a milky color). I ended up turning the heat back up to mid/mid high and finally got it to change to a pecan brown color but now its gritty. Any help would be appreciated.
I started off with 1 cup oil veg oil on medium heat, got the veg oil hot and began to slowly add in 1 cup of flour. I would add approx 1/4 of a cup at a time and stir until it was dissolved then i would add some more. Once i added the whole cup I turned the temp to low and stirred continously for 55 minutes without it really changing colors (was a milky color). I ended up turning the heat back up to mid/mid high and finally got it to change to a pecan brown color but now its gritty. Any help would be appreciated.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:28 pm to Squints 3410
Med high heat the entire time. Never stop whisking.
Otherwise, sounds about right.
Otherwise, sounds about right.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:31 pm to Squints 3410
You got the general concept. Just takes practice.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:34 pm to Squints 3410
Stovetop heat setting vary by stove. You probably didn't have a hot enough fire if it took you 90 minutes. That's too long. It shouldn't take more the 10 - -15 minutes if the fire is hot enough. You will set off the smoke detector in your kitchen and you will think you are going to burn it, and then you might. Keep stirring until it is the color of a dark penny.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:42 pm to tigeryat
i tried making one the other night. I read somewhere it takes 20-25 minutes. I quit after 35. I thought it was because i was doing it in the wrong pot or something
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:49 pm to Squints 3410
What type of pot were you trying to cook it in?
And what do you mean by gritty? Did you taste it?
And what do you mean by gritty? Did you taste it?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:51 pm to Panny Crickets
Awesome thanks. Bc i didnt have the heat high enough cause it to be gritty? Im assuming its gritty due to the flour not fully being dissolved? Sorry for all the questions. I'm just getting my feet wet with cooking.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:57 pm to Squints 3410
5 minute rouxs are the only way to go. I'm going to have to film my next one and upload it.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:11 pm to Trout Bandit
Get a wooden roux spoon. med high/high heat makes a 10 min roux
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:17 pm to Squints 3410
I have never heated the oil before adding the flour. I put the oil in and add the flour. I whisk until incorporated and then turn on the heat and whisk until it's dark enough.
Lately, however, I've made my roux in the oven. It takes a little longer, but it's easy and nearly impossible to burn. While it browns, I do other things like chopping etc... I'm usually making pretty large rouxs, but for a 1 cup:1 cup, shouldn't take much time at all. I usually preheat the oven to 350 or 375, if I want it faster. Either temp works just fine. I give it a whisk every 15-20 minutes once it starts browning.
Once browned to the degree I want, I remove it and add the trinity to saute. Very simple.
Lately, however, I've made my roux in the oven. It takes a little longer, but it's easy and nearly impossible to burn. While it browns, I do other things like chopping etc... I'm usually making pretty large rouxs, but for a 1 cup:1 cup, shouldn't take much time at all. I usually preheat the oven to 350 or 375, if I want it faster. Either temp works just fine. I give it a whisk every 15-20 minutes once it starts browning.
Once browned to the degree I want, I remove it and add the trinity to saute. Very simple.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:24 pm to CHEDBALLZ
In a cast iron pot. Gritty as in sandy-like texture. It didnt really taste any different than flour. It had me wondering whats the point of a dark roux vs light roux. I assume there is a difference.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:29 pm to Squints 3410
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Squints 3410
make it easy on yourself, do it in the microwave I learned from this board (or oven).
i have an 1100w microwave, the higher the wattage, the easier & quicker this process goes.
takes no more than 10 minutes.
*YOU MUST USE A PYREX BOWL OR YOU WILL HAVE A CAD-TASTROPHE* (see photo below for what happens if you don't use pyrex. this happened when visiting my parents and not realizing they didn't have pyrex bowls )
Step 1: pour in a cup of oil (doesn't matter what kind..lately i've preferred to lightly batter and fry boneless/skinless chicken thighs in a hot iron skillet and pour a cup of that into the bowl complete with 'dirt/drippings')
Step 2: if its not hot, i like to cook the oil for a minute by itself to make it more receptive to the flour.
Step 3: pour in flour, whisk well, put in microwave for:
2 minutes (open and stir)
2 minutes (open and stir)
1-2 minutes (you want it to start changing color your microwave may vary, open and stir)
1 minute (open and stir)
keep doing 1 minute intervals until it starts to have the consistency of chocolate mousse.
then shorten to 30 second intervals (don't be afraid that its starting to smell burnt, its not)
once you have what appears to be a porous crust of quicksand, remove and put on hot plate *BEING VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU ARE NOW HOLDING LAVA* near the stove.
i then add the onions (watch out for the smoke!) and it will disintegrate them and darken more.
then add the rest of the trinity and it will continue to get darker and much less hot.
i have a boiling soup pot of chicken stock already going and just add the roux/trinity a scoop at a time while stirring vigorously.
once the whole bowl is transferred (i like to lick the wooden spoon once the roux is cool to see if its right..yeah..thats why i eat raw roux ) and properly integrated into the stock you can add the chicken and turn it down to simmer.
after about an hour i add the sausage and turn the fire off.
adding the sausage at the very end keeps the grease from oozing out of the sausage and forming a greasy film on top.
skim any grease off the top using a metal spoon.
the whole process takes about 15 minute (other than letting it simmer) and the roux never burns.
eta, found it
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:50 pm to CAD703X
Seems pretty easy. I will have to try it out. thanks
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:50 pm to CAD703X
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CAD703X
Not sure who gave you a downvote. That's apretty idiot proof method of getting a dark roux without burning.
To the OP...higher heat and stir constantly. If you smell even the tiniest hint of burn, it's too late. Don't try to get it too dark until you've done it a few times.
Also, if you use oil that you brown your protein in, make sure you take out all the bits. They will burn in the high heat it takes to make a dark roux.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:09 pm to Squints 3410
FWIW I find it takes a little longer in a cast iron pot. I normally make my roux in a magnalite pot, from the time i put the oil to the time I'm ready to arse my trinity is about 15 minutes or so. Also, I find sometimes my roux looks gritty, IDK why, comes out fine in the final dish though.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:12 pm to BayouBlitz
The oven method is amazing. I made a very dark roux the first time I ever made a roux and it was great.
It does take a bit longer but like Gris said, do some other things. I'm typically not making a gumbo for that day/night and I'm certainly in no rush when cooking one.
It does take a bit longer but like Gris said, do some other things. I'm typically not making a gumbo for that day/night and I'm certainly in no rush when cooking one.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:20 pm to Sherman Klump
You can pre bake the flour in the oven and then store it in an airtight container. That is by far the easiest way. I haven't done it in awhile but you bake the flour for like 60-90 minutes, it gets to be a golden color. Then as soon as it hits the oil it gets even darker so don't over bake it. But I do a couple cups of flour at a time like this, works great.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:21 pm to Squints 3410
quote:
It had me wondering whats the point of a dark roux vs light roux. I assume there is a difference.
There is a difference in flavor. A darker roux has a deeper flavor which holds up to (and is necessary for me in gumbo) to gumbo. A lighter roux has a milder flavor. Also, a lighter roux yields a thicker product. The darker the roux, the thinner it will be. It doesn't have the same thickening properties as a light roux.
Again, I recommend you try the oven version.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 3:54 pm to BayouBlitz
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Not sure who gave you a downvote.
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