re: Full N.O. City Council to Vote on Smoking Ban in All Restaurants, etc.

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I don't have a keg of KBS in my home.

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You're no 8thyear

I get the argument for not wanting to be around smoke, hell I don't like it.

Kind of hard for me to defend entering an establishment legally selling a poison and then someone complaining about the environment harming them.

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Kind of hard for me to defend entering an establishment legally selling a poison and then someone complaining about the environment harming them.

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Do you not see the difference between choosing to ingest alcohol on your own versus inhaling someone else's smoke?

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I don't see the differencr between this and fire code regulations. If a bar doesn't want sprinkler systems or alternate exits it is on them. Sure, adding exits and sprinkler systems have proven to save lives, but it should be a choice.

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Oh, they don't have to comply with all the codes... they also don't have to receive an occupancy permit.

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you are choosing to ingest smoke when you enter a smoking establishment...

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Exactly.

I am choosing old IPA's or dirty taplines going to certain bars. Therefore I don't go.

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Arbitrary laws put in place because things such as smoking have fallen out of fashion.

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50,000 nonsmokers die each year because of smoking. That isn't arbitrary.

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yet I can go buy 3 1/5th of jack and tell the cashier I am going to drink them while driving home.

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That's not at a bar, and has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

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50,000 nonsmokers die each year because of smoking. That isn't arbitrary.

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All due to second hand smoke in bars?

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That's not at a bar, and has nothing to do with what we're discussing here.

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so you agree the laws are arbitrary

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Are there stipulations on where you can and cannot rape someone?

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So rape and second hand smoke are equivalent. All for banning it. Not just in bars though.

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You're not very good at logic. You should let Salmon take over for you.

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logic is a bartender gets in trouble for overserving, a cashier doesn't. Random laws.

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So rape and second hand smoke are equivalent.

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I'd venture to say that less people die from rape than secondhand smoke. However.secondhand smoke is basically rape of a nonsmoker's lungs, so it's kind of a moot point.

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logic is a bartender gets in trouble for overserving, a cashier doesn't

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So you're making a pretty big assumption that a cashier will sell to an obviously intoxicated person. Are you confident in that assumption? You shouldn't be:

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If you sell alcohol to a minor or a visibly intoxicated person
you could be convicted of a Class A Violation or a Class A
Misdemeanor depending on the facts and circumstances of the
infraction.

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I'm fairly positive this country was not founded to protect businesses at the cost of individuals.

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LMAO. This country was EXACTLY founded to protect private property rights from government dictate!!! You couldn't be more wrong. lol.

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“No other rights are safe where property is not safe.” — Daniel Webster
“The right of distribution over private property is the essence of freedom.” — Merrill Jenkins

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The American moron . . . wants to keep his Ford, even at the cost of losing the Bill of Rights.
H. L. Mencken

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“Government is instituted to protect property of every sort. . . This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.” - James Madison

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It is easy for an urban-suburbanite majority to trample the rights of a minority to achieve, in
the majority's estimate, a "public good." So easy is it to fall into this trap that the majority fails to
recognize that the doctrine of the "public good" is a two-edged sword that can easily slay their own
freedom. The so-called public good is both dynamic and relative, quickly changingwith thewhims
of society. Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Warren Burger emphasized this point in United
Steelworkers v. Weber, “[B]eware the ‘good result,’ achieved by judicially unauthorized or intellectually
dishonest means on the appealing notion that the desirable ends justify the improper
judicial means. For there is always the danger that the seeds of precedent sown by good men for
the best of motives will yield a rich harvest of unprincipled acts of others also aiming at “good
ends.” Unless the rights of every citizen are protected at all times, freedom is an
illusion. Today's majority could become tomorrow’s minority.

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I'd venture to say that less people die from rape than secondhand smoke

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Not based on a percentage of those exposed to either.

Always nice to find a LNCHBOX thread.