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First homebrew batch

Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:38 am
Posted by seeinspots
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1101 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:38 am
I just put my first batch of Caribou Slobber brewing. The instructions in the kit said to ferment for 14 days then bottle for 14 days before drinking. The online version of the instructions actually say to transfer to a secondary.
There are forums on this topic of secondary fermentation or not but has anyone done this in our climate? Any advice welcome.
Posted by mchias1
Member since Dec 2009
1003 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:00 am to
Secondary isn't necessary and will just lead to oxygen ruining your beer.

Check out the homebrew thread.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
17642 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Caribou Slobber brewing.


My first homebrew batch was a Caribou slobber clone.

I wouldn't worry about secondary. It's another opportunity for oxidation or contamination. When I started brewing I would do it and my beer got noticeably (to me) better when I stopped doing it and focused on minimizing post fermentation oxidation.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:06 am to
Secondary fermentation is not necessary. Most brewers don't do it anymore. More important is maintaining your fermentation temperature. I try to keep it on the lower end of the recommended range for the yeast I'm using. I don't brew much in the summer because I don't have a room cool enough to do that.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30181 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 8:37 am to
Skip the secondary. Go directly to bottles. Since it's your fist batch, make sure your gravity is stable prior to packaging. Bottle bombs are no fun.
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
10861 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:46 am to
I still do secondary fermentation, I get much clearer and cleaner beer that way. I don't try to filter, maybe others do. Also has to do with my equipment, my primary carboy is bigger and can handle it when the fermentation goes nuts, and I rack to a smaller secondary where I have a lot less head space, and I sometimes put it in the fridge to settle things out even more to get it cleaned up before bottling.
Posted by seeinspots
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1101 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 9:51 am to
Thanks for all the input! I guess I will skip the secondary.

That said, I did get a smaller 5 gallon carboy just in case I want to experiment with the secondary.
Posted by seeinspots
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1101 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:00 am to
Do you find there is enough fermentation in the secondary to clear out any oxygen in the smaller carboy? Or do you purge it with CO2? Just curious.
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
10861 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:03 pm to
I do, the transfer to secondary stirs it up enough to get it bubbling pretty well at first, so it is purged in no time at all. I like to get it off of the bottom funk and away from some of the top funk for a few days. Since I have done it this way, I can tell beers are clear (as in clear, not homebrew-clear) and cleaner tasting.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58274 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:07 pm to
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I do, the transfer to secondary stirs it up enough to get it bubbling pretty well at first, so it is purged in no time at all. I like to get it off of the bottom funk and away from some of the top funk for a few days. Since I have done it this way, I can tell beers are clear (as in clear, not homebrew-clear) and cleaner tasting.




By all means, do as you want, but unless you are closed transferring to a secondary, you will inevitably have some O2 pickup, which leads to much quicker degradation of beer. If clarity is an issue, fine with gelatin and/or cold crash longer prior to packaging.
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
32428 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:41 pm to
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By all means, do as you want, but unless you are closed transferring to a secondary, you will inevitably have some O2 pickup, which leads to much quicker degradation of beer. If clarity is an issue, fine with gelatin and/or cold crash longer prior to packaging.



I agree with this. Gelatin will make your beer as clear as you ever want it to be. Gelatin and cold crash is all you need.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30181 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 12:55 pm to
Yeah, there are like two reasons to use a secondary, and neither one is clarity, imo. Fruit and bulk aging are the only two reasons I'd ever use a secondary, and really I do all of my bulk aging in my kegs, so I'm not sure that even counts.
Posted by calcotron
Member since Nov 2007
10861 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:06 pm to
I haven't tried gelatin, I may next time. I haven't ever done extra adds in general. I do cold crash. I haven't had O2 issues, but transferring does open it up to that more for sure.

OP, good luck and have fun with this first batch! Based on my experience you'll adjust next time no matter what. It's all about the process - if you like the process, you'll do it again.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
17642 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

I do, the transfer to secondary stirs it up enough to get it bubbling pretty well at first, so it is purged in no time at all. I like to get it off of the bottom funk and away from some of the top funk for a few days. Since I have done it this way, I can tell beers are clear (as in clear, not homebrew-clear) and cleaner tasting.


also, if you're transferring to secondary while there is enough fermentation activity remaining to clear the 02 headspace I'd be concerned with diacetyl if you pitch rate/wort oxidation/fermentation temp are not on point
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
76075 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:29 pm to
I think the real elephant in the room isn't whether or not to secondary, I think it's the 28 day from brew to drink that is suspect. It's gonna taste like arse.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
76075 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 2:29 pm to
Also isn't this a dark ale, so who GAF about clarity, right?
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
58274 posts
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:38 pm to
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I think the real elephant in the room isn't whether or not to secondary, I think it's the 28 day from brew to drink that is suspect. It's gonna taste like arse.



28 days is average if you are bottling. 28 days is minimum time before the beer is carbonated. Add another week or 2 until it hits its prime.

When I keg, anywhere from 10-14 days in fermenter, 1 day of high force carb, then I let sit at recommended carb pressure for 3 days. Even then, the beer isn’t hitting its prime until about 2 weeks after. As long as you are keeping O2 out, your beer will stay fresh a long time.
Posted by seeinspots
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1101 posts
Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:36 am to
I will be bottling. Havent even graduated from the basics to consider kegging.

I have the smaller 5 gallon carboy as a secondary but since Ill pass on the transfer, I may use it for a 3.5 gallon batch.

Appreciate all the input.
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