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doing my first brine and smoke today.

Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:28 am
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:28 am
Borrowed a 5 gallon cambro bucket from a friend. Copied as well I could Broussard's brine recipe from the Food Network, but I added a lot more spice and sugar.

Just went and got wood, green egg briquettes (usually go cheap but want it to come out good) and a wireless thermometer set up.

Turkey has been in the brine since 8 last night. Plan to put it on the smoker at 1 pm and take it off at 9ish. I'm keeping this turkey fr my fat arse as I'm going to two different thanksgivings and each have fried turkey. Interested to compare the three cooking styles (as I'm sure someone will being their oven turkey they swear isn't dry)

Any pointers as far as internal temp ( I see between 165 and 180) and to baste or not to baste?


Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:42 am to
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oven turkey they swear isn't dry


Are you saying that cooking a turkey in the oven (as opposed to frying or smoking) will inherently result in a dry turkey?

And dry brining is better.
Posted by VOLhalla
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:57 am to
Agreed. Dry brining will help maintain more of the turkey's flavor. And the best way to ensure a properly cooked turkey is to butterfly it and use an accurate meat thermometer. It's amazing how easy it is to make a great turkey with little work.
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:17 pm to
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Are you saying that cooking a turkey in the oven (as opposed to frying or smoking) will inherently result in a dry turkey?



Most oven turkeys are much drier than smoked or fried in my experience.

Posted by t00f
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:26 pm to
160 internal breast, remove, let sit covered in foil and will go to 165 in about 30 minutes as it's still cooking.

180 is the dark meat.
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:01 pm to
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160 internal breast, remove, let sit covered in foil and will go to 165 in about 30 minutes as it's still cooking.

180 is the dark meat.




I typically put a foil shield over the white meat after 30 minutes at 500 degrees so it doesn't dry out while getting the dark meat to proper temp.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 2:02 pm
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

typically put a foil shield over the white meat after 30 minutes at 500 degrees so it doesn't dry out while getting the dark meat to proper temp.


I don't smoke, I use hardwood charcoal in the kamado (indirect heat) at 325"ish until it get's an IT of 260 on the breast and it comes out perfect usually. As others had said, Turkey is easy peasy to cook.

Using the bluetooth thermometer I don't even open the lid much.
Posted by golfntiger32
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:23 pm to
Yep the butterfly is the best way to go. It gets the inside and outside browned, cooks more evenly and allows for smoke penetration from all sides of the bird. It will also reduce cook time meaning it is easier to keep it from drying out.
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:51 pm to
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Plan to put it on the smoker at 1 pm and take it off at 9ish.


Holy frick that is like 4 hours too long
Posted by VOLhalla
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:55 pm to
Because most people use an oven and most people don't know how to properly cook a whole bird. You can make fantastic turkey in an oven.
Posted by FulshearTiger
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:19 pm to
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Plan to put it on the smoker at 1 pm and take it off at 9ish.


Holy frick that is like 4 hours too long


To smoke a whole turkey? Have you ever smoked one before?
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:26 pm to
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Any pointers


All you need to know...

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Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:32 pm to
I've done it in an egg an it takes around 4 hours. I can't imagine what a turkey cooking for 9 hours will taste like
Posted by FulshearTiger
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:39 pm to
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I can't imagine what a turkey cooking for 9 hours will taste like


If you like smoked turkey, delicious. That's how long it takes to smoke a 12-16 pound bird at 225-250.
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:42 pm to
No need to smoke a turkey that low or that long. 320 for 4 hours
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:45 pm to
Don't you mallard reaction bro

quote:

Cooking temp I recommend you cook most poultry at 325°F. Readers know that I love low and slow and many of my recipes recommend a 225°F setting. That's a great temperature for gently melting tough collagen-based connective tissues without getting their protein panties in a bunch and squeezing out moisture (see my article on meat science). But turkey doesn't have the same composition as pork ribs or beef brisket, so we don't need to worry about melting tough collagens. Turkey can handle higher temps, and higher temps are needed to render the fats in the skin in order to crisp it. The higher temp helps brown the skin in the short cooking time allotted. We want brown skin because when cooking, brown means deep rich, complex taste. Browning is the result of a process called the Maillard reaction and, although it starts at low temps, it really kicks in at about 310°F when amino acids and sugars form scores of scrumptuous new compounds. This chemical reaction is responsible for the rich flavors in toasted bread, coffee beans, and dark beer. At 325°F you can render more fat from the skin and get the skin crispier. Nothing worse than soggy wet flabby rubbery skin, and that's what you get at low temps. Also, at lower temps, it is possible the bird will stall at about 150F internal temp. The stall is a phenomenon that occurs when evaporation from the meat cools it so that the temp doesn't rise until the surface dries out. If you stall while cooking a turkey you will need new dentures the next day. On the other hand, we don't want to cook turkey too hot. Recently I have been seeing more and more recipes for cooking turkey at high temps, like 500°F. This just risks incinerating the skin and flies in the face of physics. High temps are fine for thin cuts like 3/4" steaks because we want the exterior dark with the interior at 130°F, much lower than turkey. But turkey breasts are much thicker than most steaks and we need to allow enough time for the heat to travel to the center. At high temps, by the time the heat penetrates, the exterior and outer layers are overcooked and dry. Besides, at higher temps the window of opportunity opens and closes too quickly. The amount of time at which the meat is properly cooked in the center is short, and in short order it is overdone. By cooking lower we have a better chance of removing it at the perfect temp. Slow pitches are easier to hit than fastballs. So 325°F is a nice compromise. High enough to benefit from the Maillard reaction on the skin and to melt some of the fat, hot enough to gelatinize connective tissues, but not flamethrower hot, not risking a badly overheated outside of the meat before the center is cooked.
Posted by FulshearTiger
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:47 pm to
Interesting. i think I'll try the higher temp tonight then.
Posted by steakbombLSU
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:55 pm to
Yea it should take about 3-4 hrs at 275.

The man will teach you everything you need to know.

Franklin
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 3:57 pm
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:00 pm to
He uses a wet brine. And he smokes at too low of a temp for a bird.

You can safely cook it at 425 and be fine.

I usually shoot for 375.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 6:16 pm to
I use Alton Brown method. 500 for 30 minutes, cover breast with foil, 350 for 2-2:30 hours. Done. Brine for 24 hours prior. Everyone has loved it. Done it the last 5 years.
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