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Cost to brew a batch of beer (contract brew)
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:09 pm
Probably not a question for the casual craft fans, I know BMoney or Boo may have more insight.
If I wanted to get a batch of my own beer brewed what cost am I looking at? For purposes of this lets say smallest batch possible from a brewer like 40 Arpent or Covington. Basically, put to use their extra capacity.
I know the best way would be to talk to the brewery themseleves, but I am just spitballing an idea. Say we get together the 30 mavens on this board and put it to have out own batch brewed or some danky IPA with extra rare.
I think Mikkeller started in a similar way (maybe still operate the same).
I'm not sure saving money would be the objective even if it were the result.
ETA: legal hurdles I'm sure are huge, but what about bringing this to market?
If I wanted to get a batch of my own beer brewed what cost am I looking at? For purposes of this lets say smallest batch possible from a brewer like 40 Arpent or Covington. Basically, put to use their extra capacity.
I know the best way would be to talk to the brewery themseleves, but I am just spitballing an idea. Say we get together the 30 mavens on this board and put it to have out own batch brewed or some danky IPA with extra rare.
I think Mikkeller started in a similar way (maybe still operate the same).
I'm not sure saving money would be the objective even if it were the result.
ETA: legal hurdles I'm sure are huge, but what about bringing this to market?
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 2:10 pm
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:31 pm to fightin tigers
The brewery's cost will likely be in the neighborhood of $50/bbl. An IPA will be more of course, other styles might be less. Then you would add whatever margin the brewery puts on top of that. And that doesn't include packaging. That's just the cost to brew the beer.
As far as distribution, I'm not sure about that. You'd need a license obviously but I don't know much about that end of the business. Here in CO breweries can self-distribute but that's not the case in most other places.
As far as distribution, I'm not sure about that. You'd need a license obviously but I don't know much about that end of the business. Here in CO breweries can self-distribute but that's not the case in most other places.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:36 pm to fightin tigers
Looks like Abita is set up to do this. I'd imagine they would have a larger minimum required than a smaller brewery though, but worth a shot?
Abita contract brewing
ETA: 300 barrel minimum, nvm
Abita contract brewing
ETA: 300 barrel minimum, nvm
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:39 pm to Muice
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ETA: 300 barrel minimum, nvm
Yeah they got those ginormous fermenters. They wouldn't be interested in tying up one of those for a week or two for 15 barrels of beer. And it's probably not good for the beer either.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:48 pm to fightin tigers
try low road in Hammond
I believe he's already doing this for a few folks
I believe he's already doing this for a few folks
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:58 pm to cgrand
Might be worth looking at. Imagine I would lose my arse the first few batches until it was a good recipe. Keg only type deal I imagine.
300bbls @ the aforementioned $50 is what I expect around 15k. Granted, that is a lot of beer.
Courtyard being something like 3 or 6bbls would be a lot more ideal, but I imagine buying time there is probably a lot pricier.
300bbls @ the aforementioned $50 is what I expect around 15k. Granted, that is a lot of beer.
Courtyard being something like 3 or 6bbls would be a lot more ideal, but I imagine buying time there is probably a lot pricier.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:33 pm to fightin tigers
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300bbls @ the aforementioned $50 is what I expect around 15k. Granted, that is a lot of beer.
If my math is right, almost 100,000 12 oz. cans or about 15 cents a can. Or $25 per keg.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:36 pm to MountainTiger
We're gonna need a bigger boat.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:41 pm to fightin tigers
One thing I'm not sure about when it comes to contract brewing is who buys the ingredients. Do you have to buy them and then supply them to the brewery or does the brewery use their own ingredients? I assume the latter but if I'm a small craft brewery, I'm not excited about using up part of my hops contract to brew for somebody else.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:43 pm to MountainTiger
I would assume this is an extended process and time is in place for them to procure the hops and such. I would just pay market price if I did it on short notice.
Good question though on who supplies everything. Including keg rentals or would I be purchasing.
Good question though on who supplies everything. Including keg rentals or would I be purchasing.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:43 pm to fightin tigers
You could buy your own 1 bbl system including a fermenter for $6-7k and have guest brewers come in and brew for you.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:46 pm to Zappas Stache
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You could buy your own 1 bbl system including a fermenter for $6-7k and have guest brewers come in and brew for you
My plan, which the wife is actually on board for, is a brewery/brewpub that allows this type of thing.
I know jack shite about brewing, but there is a wealth of people that would love the opportunity, but don't want the hassle of a brewery.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:53 pm to fightin tigers
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My plan, which the wife is actually on board for, is a brewery/brewpub that allows this type of thing.
Somebody tried that in Dallas but it only lasted a couple of years. I don't remember the particulars of cost to the customer but they would put the beer you brewed on tap at the brewpub.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:54 pm to fightin tigers
I'd be in to get a good fresh brewed Oktoberfest (Marzen) style beer.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 3:58 pm to Zappas Stache
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Somebody tried that in Dallas but it only lasted a couple of years. I don't remember the particulars of cost to the customer but they would put the beer you brewed on tap at the brewpub.
I don't think it could be done for profit.
Somewhere like Courtyard could probably get away with it. I imagine a good brewmaster would be the key for reviewing recipes to make sure you don't make shite beer.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:01 pm to fightin tigers
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Good question though on who supplies everything. Including keg rentals or would I be purchasing.
My understanding is that the brewery provides ingredients/labor/packaging and TTB approval/taxes. You would act as a wholesaler (with license) and you would need to provide kegs. I'm sure it can vary, but that's the process I've heard described.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:03 pm to fightin tigers
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I would assume this is an extended process and time is in place for them to procure the hops and such. I would just pay market price if I did it on short notice.
As I understand it, pretty much all of last year's crop is already allocated. Breweries usually work on 1-3 year contracts with hops farms. But there may be excess product that could be bought for a higher price.
I think you'd definitely have to supply your own kegs.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:04 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:09 pm to CoachChappy
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I'd be in to get a good fresh brewed Oktoberfest (Marzen) style beer.
It's one of my life's ambitions to find a good American Märzen. One year at GABF I tried all of the Oktoberfest beers I could find, including the medal winners. Most were OK but nothing to go nuts over. Sam Adams was probably the best I tried if that gives you any idea. Still haven't found one that is on a level with H-P or Paulaner.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 4:19 pm to MountainTiger
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Sam Adams was probably the best I tried if that gives you any idea
You poor bastard. Quick story:
We went to Milwaukee for the LSU game. We went straight to Lakefront Brewery. I asked the bartender if they had any early Marzen ready. He called for the brew master. I asked again. The brew master almost died of laughter. He looked down the bar and said told y'all so. He said he had made some as early as possible to have it ready for us, because he heard LSU fans love beer. He tapped a keg.
If you told me I could pick one beer to drink the rest of my life, I would pick it.
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