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re: Beer Distribution Laws in LA
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:20 pm to LSUBoo
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:20 pm to LSUBoo
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I understand it's far easier to get imports than it is to get beers from other states. Probably something to do with the importers and licensing. We can get practically any import we want in Louisiana but don't get some of the bigger craft breweries.
This has more to do with production capacity. Lots of US craft brewers simply don't have to capacity to move into every state. If you've decided to start importing, you've got enough productions to supply all 50 states.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 12:19 am to Dac311
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If you've decided to start importing, you've got enough productions to supply all 50 states.
I don't but that argument. Lets take Cantillon for example. Their annual output is 1500 bbl, yet they still distribute some to LA.
There are some back channel deals and economics at play.
Cantillon source
Posted on 6/15/13 at 2:48 am to Dac311
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This has more to do with production capacity. Lots of US craft brewers simply don't have to capacity to move into every state.
I'm going to go ahead and state some things up front here:
1. I drink "craft" beer and abhor what I find to be an unbelievably antiquated/blatantly obvious money-grab system. I also abhor the term "craft beer" because I think it is douchy as hell. I just like beer that I think tastes good.
2. Despite that my flesh and blood cousin, who I love dearly, and several of my friends work for distributors. They are great people, their employers are fricking snakes that I hate.
3. I get paid for a living to call people out on bullshite (I work in finance), and without being a tool about it, I get paid well for it when I'm right.
4. Respectfully, what you said is entirely bullshite.
5. I am actively short SAM as a stock (see point 3). If there were publicly traded distributors I would short the ever living shite out of every one of them.
6. I am drunk.
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know Yeingling, New Belgium, Dogfish Head do not have capacity to handle more than they currently produce, so they haven't moved into other states at this point.
You're serious about this too. How did we get 4 pages and no mavens came laying wood to this ridiculous comment? Let's go boss. Per the answer to everything:
WRT to NB (which has been distributing in La for, what, 4 months now?)
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In 2011, it produced 712,800 barrels of its various labels.[1] As of 2010, it was the third-largest craft brewery and seventh-largest overall brewery in the United States.[2]
Not enough capacity. Right. We'll just ignore the obvious comments from Wiki AND the fact that that is ~2.5 years outdated.
Have you seen pictures of their facility, its a fricking beer farm dude. Locally loved Abita, who I will proudly proclaim is owned by friends of mine, can't even begin to hold their jock when it comes to facilities, yet distributes in practically the entire continental United States (that means not AK and HI but I'd take a shake bet that you could get Abita in Hawaii if you tried).
Nevermind the whole purported reason for this retarded 3-tier system is to separate distributor/producer/seller yet one of the biggest distributors owns 35% of the biggest brewer not only in the state but one of the biggest non-macro brewers in the country. Oh, you say, but NB produced 700k barrels in 2011, but how many did Abita produce? Only about 1/fricking7th of that, yet got to 46 states. Definitely a production capacity problem though.
So clearly its not a "production capacity" problem for them, since, you know, they've been pushing beer here for a few months, and also because they produced ~710k fricking barrels two years ago. I'm not going to outright attribute it to the bullshite discussed here...nevermind, yes I am. They've had the production capacity to distribute to god damn China for probably five years yet it took them until 2013 to get into La? There's a reason for that, its not "production capacity," it's greedy motherfrickers, the shithead politicians that STILL run this state, and the people who live here who just look at those clowns and give a :lolgoodoleboys: look. frick the bunch of y'all.
WRT to DFH:
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A portion of that investment will push annual capacity to around 500k barrels.
Yeah these guys just don't have the ability to get capital to push capacity to get into La. Again. :EYEMOTHERfrickINGROLL:
Yeungling? I mean really? The and I quote "America's Oldest Brewery" doesn't have the "production capacity" to get into Louisiana? Come on dude. Per answer to everything, two years ago:
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Based on sales in 2011, Yuengling was tied with the Boston Beer Company, maker of Samuel Adams brands, as the largest American-owned brewery.[1]
Yeah a $2.2 billion market cap company just can't figure out how to get enough capital to distribute beer ~800 miles away. Even though they've been in operation since...
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1829
No. I mean not even "no" but jesus motherfrickng christ frick NO. This is fricking stupid and ~10 minutes of research effectively refutes any argument. I mean this is the definition of not even trying, which is what effectively defines La politics (I hope you clowns read this, go to hell).
This is bullshite, distributors are blatant examples of people who run antiquated business models using politics to hold on to their business because they're about be phased out, and Louisiana continues to be about 1000 years behind even bumfricks like Arkansas because some Sigma Chi's daddy is the Speaker of the House (I was in a fraternity at LSU, so go ahead and put that pitchfork down friend). Meanwhile, stifling local economies and consumer choices, a combination of economic destruction and outright violation of declared rights of Americans.fricking unbelievably stupid and needs to end, like now.
/not end thread, let's keep this going
This post was edited on 6/15/13 at 2:54 am
Posted on 6/15/13 at 7:58 am to kfizzle85
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kfizzle85
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Especially:
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La politics (I hope you clowns read this, go to hell).
This is bullshite, distributors are blatant examples of people who run antiquated business models using politics to hold on to their business because they're about be phased out, and Louisiana continues to be about 1000 years behind even bumfricks like Arkansas because some Sigma Chi's daddy is the Speaker of the House (I was in a fraternity at LSU, so go ahead and put that pitchfork down friend). Meanwhile, stifling local economies and consumer choices, a combination of economic destruction and outright violation of declared rights of Americans.fricking unbelievably stupid and needs to end, like now.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 9:16 am to kfizzle85
Brah, I explained that in two sentences on page 2. Ain't nobody got time to read all that. Cliffs please.
Posted on 6/22/13 at 10:35 am to TigerWise
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NOLA is working on a permit that will allow them to sell a small percentage of what they brew.
I talked to someone from NOLA last night about this. They are indeed planning to be able to open their tasting room up to being like a regular bar part time. They also want to be able to sell their products like a retail shop and fill growlers, etc.
They will not undercut the prices for pints etc of local bars either though, just to keep everyone happ.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 10:58 am to notiger1997
How are they getting around the regulations? Or did I misunderstand the rules? I thought only brew pubs could sell their beer on site and if they do they are prohibited from distributing it elsewhere. I guess NOLA could have a brew system dedicated to the tasting room and none of that beer would go anywhere else. That might be a loop hole. I'd also heard someone was trying for legislation to ease up the rules a little. Maybe something happened and I missed it.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:22 am to nolanative2
Someone hinted earlier in this thread, that there may be changes to the regulations coming or someone may have found a loop hole.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 2:14 pm to notiger1997
The rule was passed in the legislature a few years ago that allowed distilleries to sell directly to consumers. The issue was that the ABC commissioner decided that it did not apply to breweries.
Once the commissioner changed a year or so ago,the guys from NOLA went to the new guy and he agreed with them that it should apply to breweries too. As I understand, the rule is they can sell up to 10% of their total sales direct to consumers.
Once the commissioner changed a year or so ago,the guys from NOLA went to the new guy and he agreed with them that it should apply to breweries too. As I understand, the rule is they can sell up to 10% of their total sales direct to consumers.
Posted on 6/23/13 at 9:07 pm to borrelia
That's cool. At least it's a start. Interesting version going on in Florida. Apparently AB got an ammendment passed back in the 60s so they could sell beer at their Tampa brewery. Now their brewery is gone and they don't like the ammendment because it helps the craft brewers.
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Posted on 6/23/13 at 11:02 pm to nolanative2
Problems with the link. Here's another try but if it doesn't work you can google tbo.com Craft Brewers Clash with Big Beer Lobby
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