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re: Are you a Roux snob?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:53 am to hungryone
Posted on 9/10/14 at 11:53 am to hungryone
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It probably depends on the brand of roux...some are thicker/drier and others are oilier. Add some oil to the pot to thin it--you can always skim off any oil that floats to the surface (I de-fat my chicken & sausage gumbo, as I use bone-in chicken and it does tend toward the greasy without skimming).
if im going to have to add oil and then skim why am i not just making my own roux at that point?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:11 pm to mpar98
I did the microwave roux for a few years. It was very easy and I could get it super dark without burning.
But then I went back to the iron skillet pot. I can get a roux pretty dark in about 10 minutes. And I kinda enjoy making the roux myself. It's just part of cooking gumbo.
But then I went back to the iron skillet pot. I can get a roux pretty dark in about 10 minutes. And I kinda enjoy making the roux myself. It's just part of cooking gumbo.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:30 pm to mpar98
I'm not a roux snob. I simply prefer the flavor of a homemade roux. Also love the smell of it in the kitchen as it's cooking. It's part of my enjoyment.
I don't care for the taste of jarred rouxs. They're not bad, but they're different and I find the texture to be different, for some reason. I think the taste difference is in the oils used in the jarred rouxs versus what I use. For instance, Savoie's says it uses 100% vegetable oil, but they list "cottonseed oil, corn or rice oil" along with hydrogenated palm oil. For large gumbo making, I use peanut oil and I might throw in some bacon fat, as well, which you could also add to the jarred roux and which might help that flavor I don't care for. I also use Paul Prudhomme's chicken and andouille gumbo preparation quite often and the key to that great flavor is using the chicken frying oil to make the roux. Can't get that from a jar and it's awesome.
The order didn't change for me. When I tried the jarred roux some years ago, I dumped that stuff in a cast iron skillet, added a little oil because it was so dry, heated it up and then sauteed the veggies in it.
In the past year or so, I've used the oven roux method which is the bomb. I make large quantities of gumbo at once so I have big rouxs going, sometimes two deep cast iron skillets at a time. The oven method is longer, but so simple and easy and it's next to impossible to burn the roux for those out there who worry about that. I can get the dark roux I love with little effort. Still have the same great taste and smell in the kitchen and I do my other gumbo prepping while that's cooking.
The other thing I noticed when I tried the jarred and when I've had gumbo made by others using jarred, is that there is some sort of film that rises to the top of the gumbo. It's not grease. I degrease my gumbo, always, because I don't pre-brown the sausage. It's hard to describe it, but it's different as if the browned flour sort of rises to the top somewhat. It's just different in texture from mine and I find mine to have a bit of a sharper flavor.
Anyway, I experimented with the jarred several times and compared it. I also compared my frozen to frozen cooked with a jar. Maybe my taste buds are ultra sensitive to roux and gumbo, but homemade was far superior in comparison. Jarred isn't bad, but it's definitely not as good for my personal taste.
As far as making it quickly, if you're going to make gumbo using just one jar of roux, it doesn't take that much longer to make that amount of roux in a cast iron skillet using Prudhomme's high heat quick method. And, it doesn't even take that long in the oven when you consider that you can be chopping chicken, sausage and veggies while it bakes, giving it a stir every 20 minutes or so. If you saute your veggies in roux, then you're going to have to heat up the jarred roux anyway. You can also make your roux the day before. I leave it out on the stove when I do that or in a cool oven. Works just fine and dandy. Hell, you can make roux weeks in advance and stick it in the fridge or freezer until you need it.
I make way too much roux to even bother trying to cook it in the microwave. If I need a small roux for a stew or whatever, that takes no time at all. The time is negligible when I consider the flavor I'm going to get with homemade.
Otis, I expect an upvote for this long post supporting those of us who favor homemade roux!

I don't care for the taste of jarred rouxs. They're not bad, but they're different and I find the texture to be different, for some reason. I think the taste difference is in the oils used in the jarred rouxs versus what I use. For instance, Savoie's says it uses 100% vegetable oil, but they list "cottonseed oil, corn or rice oil" along with hydrogenated palm oil. For large gumbo making, I use peanut oil and I might throw in some bacon fat, as well, which you could also add to the jarred roux and which might help that flavor I don't care for. I also use Paul Prudhomme's chicken and andouille gumbo preparation quite often and the key to that great flavor is using the chicken frying oil to make the roux. Can't get that from a jar and it's awesome.
The order didn't change for me. When I tried the jarred roux some years ago, I dumped that stuff in a cast iron skillet, added a little oil because it was so dry, heated it up and then sauteed the veggies in it.
In the past year or so, I've used the oven roux method which is the bomb. I make large quantities of gumbo at once so I have big rouxs going, sometimes two deep cast iron skillets at a time. The oven method is longer, but so simple and easy and it's next to impossible to burn the roux for those out there who worry about that. I can get the dark roux I love with little effort. Still have the same great taste and smell in the kitchen and I do my other gumbo prepping while that's cooking.
The other thing I noticed when I tried the jarred and when I've had gumbo made by others using jarred, is that there is some sort of film that rises to the top of the gumbo. It's not grease. I degrease my gumbo, always, because I don't pre-brown the sausage. It's hard to describe it, but it's different as if the browned flour sort of rises to the top somewhat. It's just different in texture from mine and I find mine to have a bit of a sharper flavor.
Anyway, I experimented with the jarred several times and compared it. I also compared my frozen to frozen cooked with a jar. Maybe my taste buds are ultra sensitive to roux and gumbo, but homemade was far superior in comparison. Jarred isn't bad, but it's definitely not as good for my personal taste.
As far as making it quickly, if you're going to make gumbo using just one jar of roux, it doesn't take that much longer to make that amount of roux in a cast iron skillet using Prudhomme's high heat quick method. And, it doesn't even take that long in the oven when you consider that you can be chopping chicken, sausage and veggies while it bakes, giving it a stir every 20 minutes or so. If you saute your veggies in roux, then you're going to have to heat up the jarred roux anyway. You can also make your roux the day before. I leave it out on the stove when I do that or in a cool oven. Works just fine and dandy. Hell, you can make roux weeks in advance and stick it in the fridge or freezer until you need it.
I make way too much roux to even bother trying to cook it in the microwave. If I need a small roux for a stew or whatever, that takes no time at all. The time is negligible when I consider the flavor I'm going to get with homemade.
Otis, I expect an upvote for this long post supporting those of us who favor homemade roux!


Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:35 pm to mpar98
When they start having jarred peanut butter roux, I'll consider it.


Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:37 pm to Mr Fusion
Just mix a tablespoon in your jarred roux when you're heating it. I'm sure the peanut buttered roux guy will be along at some point to give you proper measurements.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:38 pm to Gris Gris
quote:
expect an upvote
downvoted because you are mean to me
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:42 pm to Tigertown in ATL

This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:47 pm to Gris Gris
quote:
I was joking with Otis.
I know.
You think I'd post that I was downvoting if either of us thought it was important?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:49 pm to Tigertown in ATL
I agree something about the jar roux just isn't the same. I also enjoy cooking a roux. it brings back memories of me watching my grandpa making it back in the day.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:50 pm to Gris Gris
I've never tried the oven method. But I much prefer cooking on stove top to baking, so I'm going to stick with the cast iron pot.
I think roux is like gravy. Store bought just doesn't live up to making it fresh. I've never had a store bought gravy that was worth a shite.
I think roux is like gravy. Store bought just doesn't live up to making it fresh. I've never had a store bought gravy that was worth a shite.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:51 pm to Tigertown in ATL
quote:
You think I'd post that I was downvoting if either of us thought it was important?
I rarely notice the votes unless someone posts about them.

Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:55 pm to Zappas Stache
quote:
My guess is the jar roux has numerous chemical additives which I try to avoid.
Right. Because a traditional roux of flour and vegetable oil is certainly healthy.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:55 pm to Gris Gris
I never tried the oven method. How is that done?
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:57 pm to Gris Gris
Somebody is downvoting me!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!
The horror!!!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!
The horror!!!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 12:59 pm to Gris Gris
quote:
Otis,
Done, master.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:03 pm to OTIS2
Im not going to answer what everyone already knows, so I'll just leave this little gem here:
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:07 pm to OTIS2
I went through a weak point in my life a decade or two ago when it didn't bother my if ole miss won an athletic contest and I used jarred roux. I snapped out of that shite.
frick ole miss and all it and every damn one of its supporters stand for. I hope the school rots in Hell if that's possible, and if not, I hope they lose every damn game they ever enter...from tiddly winks to football to badmitton.
And I will not use jarred roux. In 2 beers (10 to 14 minutes, depending on volume), I can make a better product.

frick ole miss and all it and every damn one of its supporters stand for. I hope the school rots in Hell if that's possible, and if not, I hope they lose every damn game they ever enter...from tiddly winks to football to badmitton.
And I will not use jarred roux. In 2 beers (10 to 14 minutes, depending on volume), I can make a better product.

This post was edited on 9/10/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:09 pm to OTIS2
Dang Otis drinking early for a Wednesday!
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:11 pm to OTIS2
quote:
frick ole miss and all it and every damn one of its supporters stands for. I hope the school rots in Hell if that's possible, and if not, I hope they lose every damn game they ever enter...from tiddly winks to football to badmitton.
Uhm, Ok.... But just beat UL-L-Breaux Bridge this week, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! I gotta live in Laffy and if UL-L-Breaux Bridge wins, it will be their first ever victory over an SEC school and I'll have to pack up and leave.
Posted on 9/10/14 at 1:11 pm to Tigertown in ATL
Sober as most judges, for now.
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