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Apple Pie My Way (Photos)
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 10/13/17 at 3:22 pm
It is apple time here and when you find the correct grocer it is possible to find pretty good pie apples (they are not all equal for pie use). We went by Fresh Market the other day and I decided to buy some apples to make a pie.
As you can see, I bought five Macintosh and two Granny Smith apples for my pie. Conventional wisdom is that the best pies use more than one variety and if you look long enough or ask your grandmother, you will get a variety of favorite varieties to choose from. Granny Smith apples are tart, stay pretty crisp and hold their slice shape through the baking process. Macintosh are sweet and bake well, although I managed to over bake my pie and even though the taste was nice, I lost the slice shape from them during baking.
I have posted my butter crust recipe in the past.
Butter Pie Curst (Makes 2)
2 1/2 cups all purpose flour.
1 tablespoon sugar.
3/4 teaspoon salt.
1 cup (2 sticks) chilled unsalted butter, cut into 1/2-inch cubes.
4 - 6 Tablespoons ice water.
Start with very cold unsalted butter, cut into 1/2 inch cubes. Sift the flour/salt/sugar mixture into a bowl and then cut in the butter, to form pebble sized flour granules. If I have the time, I chill that in the freezer for a while and then add 4 Tablespoons of cold water and work a ball of dough. It may take the other two Tablespoons to get the ball to form and it may not - depends of the humidity and your flour. If needed, add them.
When the ball is formed, cut it into two roughly equal size pieces, form them into 2 inch thick wheels, wrap in plastic wrap and chill for an hour if possible, then roll out a circle for the bottom crust and later on the top crust. Some will make a slightly bigger wheel for the bottom crust and that is fine since it takes more dough to roll out the crust for the bottom of the pie.
These crusts will hold (in plastic wrapped wheel) for a few days in the refrigerator. I am told they will freeze, but we never do that.
Anyhow, the crust is rolled out and then fitted into the pan when ready to make your pie.
For the filling:
7 medium large Apples (actually closer to 5 or 5 1/2 are all you need)
2 Tablespoons AP flour
2 Tablespoons Corn Starch
2 teaspoons ground Cinnamon
1 teaspoon Nutmeg
3 Tablespoons sugar
2 Tablespoons Brown Sugar
2 Tablespoons Lemon juice
2-3 Tablespoons unsalted butter
1/2 Teaspoon salt
Start by peeling and coring the apples. I hold mine in water to keep them from browning. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Lemon juice added to the water will help as will fruit fresh additive, neither of these were used today.
The whiter apples were the Macintosh and the greener ones were the Granny Smith.
Slice size is a mater of preference. I use the mandoline and go for a 1/4 inch thickness with the thought that I want to keep the slices consistent and make them easier to layer in the crust.
Into the bowl to add the other filling ingredients.
(flour, cornstarch, salt, sugar, brown sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg, lemon juice)
Always use freshly ground nutmeg. It is just better.
I mix the filling ingredients using my hands and continue mixing (turning them over in the bowl) until they are consistently even.
I like to place my slices to make certain they are well mixed (Macintosh and Granny Smith) and layered to fill the crust without voids. Sometimes I will cut slices in half to fill a space that is open. When the pan is filled high, I top the filling with pieces of butter, because it is butter - why not?
Then I roll out the top crust, place it over the filling slices, tuck the edges in under the bottom crust and pinch to form the edge of the pie. I never do that very well and because of that I never get Martha Stewart pie crust edges. My opinion is that as long as the edges are folded under and sealed, no harm occurs that impacts pie taste. Never had a slice turned down because the edges were not to International Pie Crust Form standards (ISO-528654N. Oh you need to cut a few slits in the top of the crust to vent steam. I also brush on a little butter and sprinkle some sugar on top, because butter and sugar....
Bake the pie for 20 minutes in a 475 degree oven (450 for me because I use a glass pie pan and go 25 degrees lower because of that). Then reduce the temp to 375 (350 for my glass dish) for 30 minutes.
Out of the oven and in holding mode until it cools.
Next day cut.
and fork
So I had almost two apples too many for my pie and used them in an Apple crumb desert.
Crumb was flour, butter, cinnamon, salt, sugar, mixed until crumbly. Sometimes I will add a little oatmeal if the mood strikes me.
Baked for 30 minutes with pie and then removed when top had browned.
Not pie, but it gave us something to eat last night during the eternity an apple pie must cool before you can cut and eat it.
These should hold me until Thanksgiving pie time comes around. If not, I know the recipe and where to buy more apples.
All of my stuff
As you can see, I bought five Macintosh and two Granny Smith apples for my pie. Conventional wisdom is that the best pies use more than one variety and if you look long enough or ask your grandmother, you will get a variety of favorite varieties to choose from. Granny Smith apples are tart, stay pretty crisp and hold their slice shape through the baking process. Macintosh are sweet and bake well, although I managed to over bake my pie and even though the taste was nice, I lost the slice shape from them during baking.
I have posted my butter crust recipe in the past.
Butter Pie Curst (Makes 2)
2 1/2 cups all purpose flour.
1 tablespoon sugar.
3/4 teaspoon salt.
1 cup (2 sticks) chilled unsalted butter, cut into 1/2-inch cubes.
4 - 6 Tablespoons ice water.
Start with very cold unsalted butter, cut into 1/2 inch cubes. Sift the flour/salt/sugar mixture into a bowl and then cut in the butter, to form pebble sized flour granules. If I have the time, I chill that in the freezer for a while and then add 4 Tablespoons of cold water and work a ball of dough. It may take the other two Tablespoons to get the ball to form and it may not - depends of the humidity and your flour. If needed, add them.
When the ball is formed, cut it into two roughly equal size pieces, form them into 2 inch thick wheels, wrap in plastic wrap and chill for an hour if possible, then roll out a circle for the bottom crust and later on the top crust. Some will make a slightly bigger wheel for the bottom crust and that is fine since it takes more dough to roll out the crust for the bottom of the pie.
These crusts will hold (in plastic wrapped wheel) for a few days in the refrigerator. I am told they will freeze, but we never do that.
Anyhow, the crust is rolled out and then fitted into the pan when ready to make your pie.
For the filling:
7 medium large Apples (actually closer to 5 or 5 1/2 are all you need)
2 Tablespoons AP flour
2 Tablespoons Corn Starch
2 teaspoons ground Cinnamon
1 teaspoon Nutmeg
3 Tablespoons sugar
2 Tablespoons Brown Sugar
2 Tablespoons Lemon juice
2-3 Tablespoons unsalted butter
1/2 Teaspoon salt
Start by peeling and coring the apples. I hold mine in water to keep them from browning. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Lemon juice added to the water will help as will fruit fresh additive, neither of these were used today.
The whiter apples were the Macintosh and the greener ones were the Granny Smith.
Slice size is a mater of preference. I use the mandoline and go for a 1/4 inch thickness with the thought that I want to keep the slices consistent and make them easier to layer in the crust.
Into the bowl to add the other filling ingredients.
(flour, cornstarch, salt, sugar, brown sugar, cinnamon, nutmeg, lemon juice)
Always use freshly ground nutmeg. It is just better.
I mix the filling ingredients using my hands and continue mixing (turning them over in the bowl) until they are consistently even.
I like to place my slices to make certain they are well mixed (Macintosh and Granny Smith) and layered to fill the crust without voids. Sometimes I will cut slices in half to fill a space that is open. When the pan is filled high, I top the filling with pieces of butter, because it is butter - why not?
Then I roll out the top crust, place it over the filling slices, tuck the edges in under the bottom crust and pinch to form the edge of the pie. I never do that very well and because of that I never get Martha Stewart pie crust edges. My opinion is that as long as the edges are folded under and sealed, no harm occurs that impacts pie taste. Never had a slice turned down because the edges were not to International Pie Crust Form standards (ISO-528654N. Oh you need to cut a few slits in the top of the crust to vent steam. I also brush on a little butter and sprinkle some sugar on top, because butter and sugar....
Bake the pie for 20 minutes in a 475 degree oven (450 for me because I use a glass pie pan and go 25 degrees lower because of that). Then reduce the temp to 375 (350 for my glass dish) for 30 minutes.
Out of the oven and in holding mode until it cools.
Next day cut.
and fork
So I had almost two apples too many for my pie and used them in an Apple crumb desert.
Crumb was flour, butter, cinnamon, salt, sugar, mixed until crumbly. Sometimes I will add a little oatmeal if the mood strikes me.
Baked for 30 minutes with pie and then removed when top had browned.
Not pie, but it gave us something to eat last night during the eternity an apple pie must cool before you can cut and eat it.
These should hold me until Thanksgiving pie time comes around. If not, I know the recipe and where to buy more apples.
All of my stuff
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 9:55 am
Posted on 10/13/17 at 7:04 pm to MeridianDog
Looks great. A warm piece of apple pie and a glass of cold milk is one of my all time favorites and if I can get my wife to make hers (her grandmothers) I never stop at one slice.
And guild the Lilly with a bit of vanilla bean ice cream, a bit of caramel sauce and just a pinch of sea salt.
I know what I'm making Sunday.
And guild the Lilly with a bit of vanilla bean ice cream, a bit of caramel sauce and just a pinch of sea salt.
I know what I'm making Sunday.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 7:40 pm to MeridianDog
I love your post. My only critique would be to add some ice cream on top. 
Posted on 10/13/17 at 7:49 pm to notiger1997
Incredible, great job. I’d eat it !!!
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:01 pm to MeridianDog
quote:
International Pie Crust Form standards (ISO-528654N
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:09 pm to DoctorTechnical
I worked with ISO standards (Pharmaceutical industry) for years.
I actually taught the first ISO-9000 classes in Mississippi maybe 25-30 years back. At that time, I was Chairman of Central Mississippi ASQC section and carried maybe 500 people from 25+ companies through the four training sessions. They awarded me the Mississippi Governor's Quality Award that year. There is a nice plaque somewhere in the attic. I was also appointed to the Governor's Quality council. Never had a meeting.
You laughed, so I am sure you know there are ISO standards for many-many things, including baking standards. I could have looked up pie crust, but probably not in there.
I actually taught the first ISO-9000 classes in Mississippi maybe 25-30 years back. At that time, I was Chairman of Central Mississippi ASQC section and carried maybe 500 people from 25+ companies through the four training sessions. They awarded me the Mississippi Governor's Quality Award that year. There is a nice plaque somewhere in the attic. I was also appointed to the Governor's Quality council. Never had a meeting.
You laughed, so I am sure you know there are ISO standards for many-many things, including baking standards. I could have looked up pie crust, but probably not in there.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:22 pm to MeridianDog
I always open your threads. You always take the extra steps it takes to put food over the top. No one can doubt your passion for culinary arts. Again, beautiful work.
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:25 pm to MeridianDog
Warm apple pie and blue bell vanilla ice cream is like a little piece of heaven in a bowl. Looks great! 
Posted on 10/13/17 at 8:28 pm to MeridianDog
Thanks for the formatting help MD!
Posted on 10/13/17 at 10:00 pm to MeridianDog
My company has zero experience with ISO standards but I want to start implementing some of those standards. We are are a 40 employee chemical company. Where should we start?
Posted on 10/13/17 at 10:05 pm to MeridianDog
Wow. You could probably box that up and sell it. 
Posted on 10/13/17 at 11:50 pm to MeridianDog
You got revision control on that recipe?
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:23 am to I B Freeman
ISO implementation can be expensive.
For most of industry, it is a Quality Management System Certification, to one of four ISO Standards, usually 9001 which is the most inclusive - includes design.
Some of this comes from Wikipedia, which has good basic information.
ISO 9000 introduces the model for a Quality Management system.
ISO 9001:1987 Model for quality assurance in design, development, production, installation, and servicing was for companies and organizations whose activities included the creation of new products.
ISO 9002:1987 Model for quality assurance in production, installation, and servicing had basically the same material as ISO 9001 but without covering the creation of new products.
ISO 9003:1987 Model for quality assurance in final inspection and test covered only the final inspection of finished product, with no concern for how the product was produced.
The intent of ISO 9000 series standards was to define a world wide standardized description of an effective Quality Management (QM) system and then to certify companies to that standard. IT has nothing to do with product quality, only to certify that the procedures are in place to manage product design and manufacturing quality, that they are adequate and that your company is in compliance with your written standards.
Your procedures should address each component of the QM standard as listed in the 9000 series standard for which you wish to certify compliance. These procedures (your Standard Operating Procedures) all together, make up your Quality System Manual.
The intent of implementation will be to design your Quality Management system, write the specifications that describe how your company meets the ISO requirements for the level you wish to certify to (9001 is the most thorough, including design. 9002 does not include design 9003 is inspection)and then arrange for a certification inspection and certification by an internationally accepted third party certification body,
Here is a list
Obviously you want a certification body that works in your industry. They will all tell you they are the guy to hire, but you hopefully are starting a long term relationship that you will put a lot of company money into, so choose carefully.
Most companies hire an implementation person with knowledge or a consultant to help them. Your procedures can be your company's friend or it's worst enemy, because compliance with whatever is written down is required, once the procedures are found to be adequate.
Baby steps to get started
Get a book and gather the basic information you need to consider which way you want the company to go.
Possibly order the four ISO 9000 series standards from ISO or a US vendor that sells the standards.
Get commitment from top management to implement. Nothing is wore than failure and success requires full commitment from the very top and the driving force toward implementation must come from the top.
Make contact with a certification service. Talk to others who are certified and hopefully they will share their problems, successes and failures with you. Listen carefully to anyone who will share information because the process is expensive, time consuming and mush of the time unsuccessful the first inspection or two.
Certification inspection can be a racket. Some/many certification inspection companies almost refuse to certify without two or three inspections, which can start at $20,000 (one or two inspectors for a week).
Ask questions of your customers. Do they demand certification? Will being certified help you get new or additional business? Exactly why are you seeking certification?
ISO certification is required for many industries and not at all in others. Your customers will know, or you may already been told you must be certified. Certification is required to do business in the EU and at least some other foreign countries.
Difficult to offer general information here. I could probably answer other questions.
I see you are a chemical company. Do you design product, or simply manufacture or process products to some other already set industrial standard?
No design means you are likely a candidate for ISO 9002
For most of industry, it is a Quality Management System Certification, to one of four ISO Standards, usually 9001 which is the most inclusive - includes design.
Some of this comes from Wikipedia, which has good basic information.
ISO 9000 introduces the model for a Quality Management system.
ISO 9001:1987 Model for quality assurance in design, development, production, installation, and servicing was for companies and organizations whose activities included the creation of new products.
ISO 9002:1987 Model for quality assurance in production, installation, and servicing had basically the same material as ISO 9001 but without covering the creation of new products.
ISO 9003:1987 Model for quality assurance in final inspection and test covered only the final inspection of finished product, with no concern for how the product was produced.
The intent of ISO 9000 series standards was to define a world wide standardized description of an effective Quality Management (QM) system and then to certify companies to that standard. IT has nothing to do with product quality, only to certify that the procedures are in place to manage product design and manufacturing quality, that they are adequate and that your company is in compliance with your written standards.
Your procedures should address each component of the QM standard as listed in the 9000 series standard for which you wish to certify compliance. These procedures (your Standard Operating Procedures) all together, make up your Quality System Manual.
The intent of implementation will be to design your Quality Management system, write the specifications that describe how your company meets the ISO requirements for the level you wish to certify to (9001 is the most thorough, including design. 9002 does not include design 9003 is inspection)and then arrange for a certification inspection and certification by an internationally accepted third party certification body,
Here is a list
Obviously you want a certification body that works in your industry. They will all tell you they are the guy to hire, but you hopefully are starting a long term relationship that you will put a lot of company money into, so choose carefully.
Most companies hire an implementation person with knowledge or a consultant to help them. Your procedures can be your company's friend or it's worst enemy, because compliance with whatever is written down is required, once the procedures are found to be adequate.
Baby steps to get started
Get a book and gather the basic information you need to consider which way you want the company to go.
Possibly order the four ISO 9000 series standards from ISO or a US vendor that sells the standards.
Get commitment from top management to implement. Nothing is wore than failure and success requires full commitment from the very top and the driving force toward implementation must come from the top.
Make contact with a certification service. Talk to others who are certified and hopefully they will share their problems, successes and failures with you. Listen carefully to anyone who will share information because the process is expensive, time consuming and mush of the time unsuccessful the first inspection or two.
Certification inspection can be a racket. Some/many certification inspection companies almost refuse to certify without two or three inspections, which can start at $20,000 (one or two inspectors for a week).
Ask questions of your customers. Do they demand certification? Will being certified help you get new or additional business? Exactly why are you seeking certification?
ISO certification is required for many industries and not at all in others. Your customers will know, or you may already been told you must be certified. Certification is required to do business in the EU and at least some other foreign countries.
Difficult to offer general information here. I could probably answer other questions.
I see you are a chemical company. Do you design product, or simply manufacture or process products to some other already set industrial standard?
No design means you are likely a candidate for ISO 9002
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 1:29 am
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:25 am to MeridianDog
As I've said before, a meal at your house would be great relative to food and company.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 1:31 am to Gris Gris
It all depends on the night of the week Gris!
You might get Shredded Wheat or scrambled egg on toasted wheat bread.

You might get Shredded Wheat or scrambled egg on toasted wheat bread.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 4:44 am to MeridianDog
quote:
Mandolin
Mandoline
Neither are finger friendly btw.
Posted on 10/14/17 at 9:53 am to Degas
Never said I was smart Degas.
Maybe I did, but if I did I lied.
Thanks for the correction. I will fix it.
Edited to add:
That is my mandolin you show - the cutting instrument, not the musical instrument.
My musical instruments of choice are the radio and CD player. I have in the past three years become very proficient playing the Amazon firestick you just push that little microphone icon at the top and say, "Play James Taylor" and it does! Very well, in fact.
Was that the only misspelled word? If only one, I may have set a record. Sometimes I read a post four weeks late and se five or six misused or misspelled words. IMO, one is not so bad.
However, I can see the problems attempting to cut apple slices on a mandolin might cause.

Maybe I did, but if I did I lied.
Thanks for the correction. I will fix it.
Edited to add:
That is my mandolin you show - the cutting instrument, not the musical instrument.
My musical instruments of choice are the radio and CD player. I have in the past three years become very proficient playing the Amazon firestick you just push that little microphone icon at the top and say, "Play James Taylor" and it does! Very well, in fact.
Was that the only misspelled word? If only one, I may have set a record. Sometimes I read a post four weeks late and se five or six misused or misspelled words. IMO, one is not so bad.
However, I can see the problems attempting to cut apple slices on a mandolin might cause.
This post was edited on 10/14/17 at 10:01 am
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