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re: So let’s discuss what we’re all thinking here…

Posted on 1/3/23 at 6:41 am to
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/3/23 at 6:41 am to
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People play fantasy for the money? The money is always secondary for us.


I’m in a dynasty league that has been going for 20+ years. We all split the MFL fee and play for pride.

That being said, I was up 32 and my opponent had Burrow + Cin D. I had BUF D.

We are just letting everything play out. The Commish said if the game never restarts, then I will win.

I told the Commish I was fine just splitting the championship this year (which sucks because I am 14-1 including the playoffs). What I don’t want to happen is for us to just move the champ game to week 18.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 6:43 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86468 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:11 am to
I'm our commissioner so will probably have to weigh in on our league at some point.

I was in the championship game as the 1 seed avainst the 4, he was up by 19 and had Chase left and I had Allen and Higgins. It would be a tight one I think but he was projected to win.

As far as money, I'm perfectly fine splitting the 1/2 pot downt he middle. That's fine, don't care. But the massive trophy we get, I don't think it's fair at all to have him win it. He was LITERALLY the lowest scoring player in our league. It just so happened that almost every week, his incredibly low score still won against his opponenet that week that would typically have THE lowest score of the week. Over the season he had over 500 points less scored than the first place team. I won the regular season by multiple games to earn the 1 seed, and I was 2-0 against him H2H over the season. I don't see any real rational reason why he should win the trophy because of this.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 7:20 am
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
51660 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:33 am to
His team got hot. You admitted you were going to lose. You're being salty.

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I was in the championship game as the 1 seed avainst the 4, he was up by 19 and had Chase left and I had Allen and Higgins. It would be a tight one I think but he was projected to win.


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I don't see any real rational reason why he should win the trophy because of this.
see above
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 7:52 am
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77392 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:34 am to
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But the massive trophy we get, I don't think it's fair at all to have him win it. He was LITERALLY the lowest scoring player in our league. It just so happened that almost every week, his incredibly low score still won against his opponenet that week that would typically have THE lowest score of the week. Over the season he had over 500 points less scored than the first place team. I won the regular season by multiple games to earn the 1 seed, and I was 2-0 against him H2H over the season. I don't see any real rational reason why he should win the trophy because of this.


No offense, but that all seems irrelevant to the championship game. Thats the luck of fantasy sometimes. If he was projected to win, id award him the trophy
Posted by AUcs13
Pensacola
Member since Jul 2011
2836 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 7:44 am to
What are the odds Mixon and Diggs play next week? If they do I’m going to just have their point total count for this week.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86468 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:23 am to
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You admitted you were going to lose. You're being salty.


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No offense, but that all seems irrelevant to the championship game.


It's entirely relevant when the championship game doesn't even get played ot completion, is it not? It goes without saying that hte ESPN "projections" are pretty spotty. And this would be different if we each only had a kicker or something, but by stud QB and #1 WR had yet to play, so 19 points isn't much ot overcome at all.

In a perfect scenario the game gets made up and if I lose then I'll of course tip my hat because i lost fair and square. My whole point is, if this game doesn't get made u[p you've gotta decide what you're going to rely on to determine the winner and "oh well they were iwnning at the time" is pretty flimsy, IMO.
Posted by longhorn22
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Member since Jan 2007
42291 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:26 am to
I think this is what we will be doing in our league.


If the game is started from the spot they had to postpone but played at any other time, I will calculate those points and add them into the the Championship matchup and the 3rd place game to fairly decide payouts. That will be the final score of the matchups.

If they do NOT play the game at all and Commish Goodell just has these teams never play the game, then the matchup is OVER, and scores are FINAL.
Posted by RTN
Member since Oct 2016
772 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:37 am to
I was down 7 with Josh Allen left to play, and he had no one else.... I was 95% projected to win.

Maybe I'll propose using Allens point total from the next game if this one is scratched?
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77392 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:38 am to
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It goes without saying that hte ESPN "projections" are pretty spotty.

Sure, but there is no great answer

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but by stud QB and #1 WR had yet to play, so 19 points isn't much ot overcome at all.


You dont wanna project, but then you want to project here.

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and "oh well they were iwnning at the time" is pretty flimsy, IMO.

That isnt what i would do. but i would use projections to determine the winner of a trophy instead of “his team was lucky and a lower scoring team throughout the season”. Im not sure most people care about the trophy anyway. So it prob wont matter.
But i cant see a legitimate reason you should get it over the other guy if he is projected to win and is currently ahead
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86468 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:54 am to
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Sure, but there is no great answer



you're right, there isn't a good answer to this unique situation. Since there isn't a "good" answer, I'm trying to think rationally about the best way to determine the champ.

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You dont wanna project, but then you want to project here.


I never projected that I would win. I simply said that it would be close based on who I've still got. If I was down 50 with only a kicker left this wouldn't be an issue.

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t i would use projections to determine the winner of a trophy


that projection is conjecture though, it's guesswork. We're going to ignore 16 weeks of results and let it come down to whatever algorythm espn came up wiht?

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instead of “his team was lucky and a lower scoring team throughout the season”


I'm simply saying that in a weird as frick stuation like this where the game is cancelend and not made up, it makes rational sense to look at a full body of work over the course of the season.

Posted by longhorn22
Nicholls St. Fan
Member since Jan 2007
42291 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 8:59 am to
Yeah, we're having open discussions with our final 4 guys.

One guy is down around 90, but he has Josh Allen, Dawson Knox, and Tyler Bass. If you take those 3 guys highest point games from this season it equals 107 pts. So to try and play god and predict whether or not those guys would or would not have had that crazy night last night who knows...

This is just a mess all together. Hopefully theres some news that comes out today.

Obviously the game not being played last night will affect things altogether because weather + resting players etc may come into play with any type of rescheduled game.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77392 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:01 am to
Disagree. The game at hand is all that matters if its this for in. If this week entirely got cancelled, id see your side of it, and think the tiebreaker would be higher seed. But we are most of the way through this week of games and through your matchups, only this game should govern. Id let your league mates vote on who should get the trophy.
This post was edited on 1/3/23 at 9:04 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86468 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:04 am to
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But we are most of the way through this week of games


I think this is a dangerous game to play because then you have to subjectively decide what's an acceptable length of time through the week to be.
Posted by PhillyTiger90
Member since Dec 2015
10684 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:17 am to
I’m up 4 but opponent has Chase left

Hoping they can resume and I’ll take the loss. If it’s cancelled I’m splitting the money
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
77392 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:22 am to
Dunno how much money that is, but id want more than the split if im the other guy
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
14469 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:32 am to
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Dunno how much money that is, but id want more than the split if im the other guy


Dam right. Common sense gotta factor in. There’s gonna be some friendships ended this week lol
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
21785 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:03 am to
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My league projects me @105-115 every week. Avg 142 on the season. Not a fan of projections lol. Especially when they’ve under projected burrow for like 8 weeks straight



This is a valid issue.

A commish in one of my leagues suggested giving players in this game their average for the season and just adding them up and see who wins.

That league is pretty casual but everyone voted in favor.

One possible option.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11281 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:07 am to
I mean, I think you either vote that you take projected scores, or freeze it as a league policy going forward and don’t look at how it affects last week at all.

Using feelings instead of bright line rules is how you screw up friendships on this one. It’ll be rare but weather injury or more likely weather…. It’s good to have a policy in place and not a “I think that guy would win so how do I make that happen”
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158758 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:18 am to
yeah in one league. I'm up 1 and he had Burrow going, I've already just said if the game is canceled I'm going to go ahead and concede the loss because common sense says I was going to lose. Now this was a 3rd place game but still.

so a lot of these situations are going to be different

Posted by BhamTigah
Lurker since Jan 2003
Member since Jan 2007
14107 posts
Posted on 1/3/23 at 10:26 am to
As someone who didn't make the playoffs, I propose we just give everyone their money back. Incomplete season and all.
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