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Player comparison 1958 vs 2018
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:29 pm to Jmwtigre
It's not just size on paper but overall speed, strength, etc. I don't ever understand the Lebron to Michael Jordan comparison, aside from them being totally different players, because they're in completely different eras of training, nutrition, analytics, etc. Who really knows what the other would have done in that era?
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:36 pm to DRock88
I think that's right; the sheer speed and agility of the big guys is really astounding.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:40 pm to Jmwtigre
I mean we flipped from white athletes to black athletes
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:43 pm to Jmwtigre
Keep in mind how many were playing two way. Makes a difference in what kind of player you need as well.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:44 pm to Jmwtigre
I was fortunate enough to attend several games in the 1958 season and knew a couple of the players on that team. If anything, the weights of the players were exaggerated. Even by the standards of the day, the 1958 Tigers were small. The average starting lineup of the AAA Bogalusa Lumberjacks outweighed the starting lineup of the Tigers that year.
Thanks for that post.
Thanks for that post.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 5:44 pm to Jmwtigre
Go back to two way football and the players would get smaller again. Not all the way, because you would still have the effect of modern training and nutrition. But 320 lb. linemen and 260 lb. linebackers would disappear overnight.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:23 pm to Jmwtigre
The size difference are most obvious for the linemen.
Less of a difference for the skill positions. Johnny Robinson for example was listed at 6’ 185 lb, but when he went to the pros as a DB he put on weight to about 200 lb. not much different than some of the current DBs.
Also the 1970 LSU team that went toe to toe with #1 Nebraska was always smaller than its opponents. Ronnie Estay was only about 230. John Sage was even smaller, maybe 215, and these very good DTs were going against the huge Nebraska OL.
Less of a difference for the skill positions. Johnny Robinson for example was listed at 6’ 185 lb, but when he went to the pros as a DB he put on weight to about 200 lb. not much different than some of the current DBs.
Also the 1970 LSU team that went toe to toe with #1 Nebraska was always smaller than its opponents. Ronnie Estay was only about 230. John Sage was even smaller, maybe 215, and these very good DTs were going against the huge Nebraska OL.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:29 pm to msbargas
As recently as the late eighties/early nineties, 250 was considered a good size for a college OL. Things exploded after that.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 7:22 pm to Jim Rockford
I believe there were some changes in the rules for the OL in what they could do with their arms and hands. These changes favored bigger bodies.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 7:56 pm to Mr.Perfect
White athletes are bigger now also stupid,arse
Posted on 5/26/18 at 8:08 pm to Mr.Perfect
quote:
I mean we flipped from white athletes to black athletes
LSU had a white running back, quarterback and safety on the 07 national championship team. I'm sure there are some players in 58 that could have played in 2018 with equal nutrition and training.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 8:35 pm to Jmwtigre
This doesn't have anything to do with LSU but it does fit the thread. My dad was born in 1915 and played HS football. He told me once that his team found some newspaper clippings about a championship team from his school from just a few years earlier and his team outweighed them by ten pounds per man. So, the trend has been going on for a long time.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:10 pm to BigSlick
Again...training methods are are the biggest reasons why there's such a difference. Athletes were great then and now.
Weights, cardio, diet, enhancing drugs, etc. There's a ton of reasons why things have changed.
Women are bigger busted than ever these days, too. Why?
Weights, cardio, diet, enhancing drugs, etc. There's a ton of reasons why things have changed.
Women are bigger busted than ever these days, too. Why?
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:38 pm to Jmwtigre
How big were you when you played?
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:40 pm to choupiquesushi
Seriously though - free lunches etc nutrition is light years better now
Poor people in America weren’t fat then - they are now
Poor people in America weren’t fat then - they are now
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:45 pm to choupiquesushi
I did not play after junior high, not good enough and went to work bought car.
Istrouma did not need me won AAA championship 55, 56, 57, 59, 61, 62 had folks like Cannon, Moonie Winston and George Rice plus others.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:50 pm to Jmwtigre
Backup Fullback Charles Tarter was the heaviest guy on the team at 218 lbs
Posted on 5/27/18 at 3:16 pm to Jmwtigre
Back when football was played by normal people.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 4:08 pm to Jmwtigre
There is no comparison. Players are bigger faster and stronger by a wide margin. 255 to 260 was big back then. 300 to 300 is big. I would imagine 4.7 to 4.6 would be considered fast. Now, Linebackers can carry 220 to 240 weight and still run well into the 4.5s.
It would be brutal if we could play games between teams now and teams in the 50s, 60s, 70s. Would be like watching Tigers and Kittens.
It would be brutal if we could play games between teams now and teams in the 50s, 60s, 70s. Would be like watching Tigers and Kittens.
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