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Need some serious help with landscaping. (Pics included)

Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:44 am
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14441 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 10:44 am
I believe I've fried my backyard landscaping. It is drip irrigation and I have not been doing anything else to help it. Two of the pieces are completely done for and the rest seem to be holding on a bit.

I've been watering by hose for significant amounts of time the last 3-4 days. I have 3 trees: 2 magnolias and another one that I don't know what is.

Hoping I can at least save the 3 trees. Is there anything I should be applying besides water at this point to help save them? Is it possible to overwater at this point?

I'm in North Dallas, clay soil. All landscape is newish (April install). Kinda been distracted the last month or so with personal/health issues so I hope I didn't neglect it with no return possible.







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ETA: I'm a complete beginner at this so any input/recommendations will help.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 10:45 am
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:09 pm to
It certainly is possible to over water, and I would guess as many newly installed plants are killed by excessive watering than lack of watering, particularly in heavy clay, poorly draing soils. You said you negectled the yard for a while you dealt with health issues, but you also said you have drip irrigation - was it operating while you “neglected” the landscape?

The close up photo of the trunk of the young red oak tree kind of looks like it may have been planted to deep - I don’t see the root flare - in poorly drained soils it’s important to make sure the base of the trees/shrubs are slightly elevated, usually several inches, above soil grade. Not saying that is your issue - hard to tell from the photos. Did you install the landscape? I’d suggest moving the mulch a couple feet back from the tree trunks to expose the root flare.

Really one good heavy soaking of water of at least 1 inch plus, per week, in the absence of rain, is all that is required, maybe twice in extreme heat. Heavy watering daily is not good - shrubs and trees can be damaged from root rot (lack of oxygen to roots from excessive watering).

There are a couple posters on this board from DWF, one a landscape architect, Zappas Stache, and another a lawn specialist, ronk, that will be more familiar with the weather patterns you’ve been experiencing in DWF and can hopefully weigh in with suggestions.

Honestly, for the couple dead shrubs, it doesn’t look super bad to me, newly planted shrubs and tree will suffer some transplant shock, particularly when not planted in winter - key is to get them through the first summer while they settle in and develop a good root structure in the surrounding native soil.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 6:37 pm
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14441 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:09 pm to
quote:

you also said you have drip irrigation - was it operating while you “neglected” the landscape?


Yes - it was running for 3 days per week for 30 or so minutes. I am assuming it all started to die due to underwatering and the extreme heat.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
14249 posts
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:19 pm to
As a resident of the northern DFW suburbs for a few years, the trees look like they’ll be okay with consistent, deep watering. Look for an attachment that goes on the end of your hose that is made for slow watering a tree. On Amazon I bought a bubbler that does the trick but you don’t really need anything fancy.

I would definitely advise you to wrap the trunks of the trees with some tree wrap for at least a couple of summers to prevent splitting.

All this advice is from an amateur but I’ve been able to keep trees alive in the brutal sun like in your yard (which looks pretty good FYI).
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14441 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

I would definitely advise you to wrap the trunks of the trees with some tree wrap for at least a couple of summers to prevent splitting.



Thank you - I'll look into doing this.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38666 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

it was running for 3 days per week for 30 or so minutes.


That is plenty of water. And considering the rain we have gotten the last couple of months, I'm going to guess you are over watering .
Posted by HBomb
Dallas
Member since May 2012
245 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:54 pm to
Everything looks ok minus that one shrub on the end. What are those, vitex?

You could be watering too much.

Simple rule, if the soil around the tree is wet, don’t water. It hasn’t been super hot in DFW so far. I’d think you’d need to water newly planted trees a good soak at most every other day.
Posted by Phideaux
Cades Cove
Member since May 2008
2500 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:14 pm to
Pull your mulch away from trunks of the trees I agree with first response trees could be planted too deep or the mulch is to high against the trunk
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11084 posts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 8:48 pm to
Sounds like too much water. That large tree appears to be a Shumard Oak. Those bushes are wax myrtles and sweet viburnum. These things don’t require very much water. They do well in clay soil, but don’t like sitting in water. Even magnolias can get by with very little water. 1-2 days/week for 20 minutes on drip irrigation should be enough. I say reduce watering(especially when raining a lot), and dig out a little bit around the trunks to let them get some oxygen. The mulch looks soaked. Maybe stop watering all together for a week or 2 and let your soil dry out. After the first year you can reduce watering to 1x or even 0 times per week. The grass looks like Bermuda, will still probably need 20 minutes of water 1x/week.
This post was edited on 7/13/21 at 9:09 pm
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14441 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 8:12 am to
Thanks for the input.

The magnolia trees started blooming flowers again for the first time since May I think. So that’s good.

ETA: My biggest concern about the drip irrigation is that I know the output is extremely slow. So how can one determine how much water is enough? For instance my front flower bed doesn't have any trees in it. So the front should get a shorter run time than the flower bed that has 3 trees in it. But how much longer?

ETA: I guess the answer is to check the soil every other day to make sure it's moist and not wet.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 9:28 am
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 9:39 am to
quote:

Yes - it was running for 3 days per week for 30 or so minutes. I am assuming it all started to die due to underwatering and the extreme heat.


quote:

ETA: My biggest concern about the drip irrigation is that I know the output is extremely slow. So how can one determine how much water is enough? For instance my front flower bed doesn't have any trees in it. So the front should get a shorter run time than the flower bed that has 3 trees in it. But how much longer?


With my micro-irrigation system, I use spray heads, instead of slow drip emitters, which put out a great deal more water in a short period of time - this on the recommendation of the owner of irrigation supply company I buy supplies, he discouraged me using drip emitter heads, which as I recall are more expensive. 360 degree spray heads like these LINK

I run my system no more than 30 minutes once a week, and only in the absence of at least 1 inch of rain during the week. And I do track rainfall and only supplement water to the landscape beds with the irrigation system when needed. When first installed, like you, I watered shrubs 3 times a week, and I killed more than a few from excess watering/root rot. I learned quickly.

Better to give the landscape one good soaking once week - excess water will run off - as opposed to more frequent, shallow watering. Your issue could be more associated with the frequency of watering.

Of course my experience is with south LA - you deal with more temperature extremes, hot and cold, in DWF - so the experience and advice of those that live in your area is important.



Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6180 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 10:12 am to
I’m not a tree expert so I normally stay out of those conversations however we’ve had plenty rain for trees/shrubs/grass. My sprinklers have only run once this year. I also think it’s overwatering
Posted by PlanoPrivateer
Frisco, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2788 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 3:48 pm to
City of Frisco Waterwise

Check to see if city offers a free irrigation checkup like Frisco does. They will check your system and give you a report about any problems. They won't fix them but they will reprogram your controller if you want.

You said you were new to your area so you may not know what your city offers.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14441 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 3:57 pm to
Oh that's awesome.

I'll see if Prosper has something similar.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 3:58 pm
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 7/14/21 at 5:26 pm to
I'd kill for these problems but I live in a high plains desert. The bandwidth for thriving and murdering plants and trees seems much narrower for me.

Tips and leaf drops are mostly a watering issue in my experience. I've never burned anything or seen dropped leaves with ferts. I have a 20 year old jade I've put outside for the summer and have to be careful on water. I know its a succulent but its hot and dry AF here. I'd say lay off on the water and just let it rain. Its already unseasonably wet in your parts.
This post was edited on 7/14/21 at 5:30 pm
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