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re: Trump corrects Fauci

Posted on 8/2/20 at 7:45 am to
Posted by bstew3006
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Posted on 8/2/20 at 7:45 am to
Be moar serious about it

-Moar testing

-Wear masks moar

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That's how other countries are minimizing cases. Trump doesn't seem to be interested in what's working elsewhere.


Seems we’re taking it pretty serious
Testing more than double of the next country
We have mask mandates

But please continue, what is Trump not doing that other countries are?
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 7:46 am to
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Trump picks fights with technocrats to run against them because it's eternally about the politics of the common wisdom of the good people vs. the corrupt scheming of the evil elites. Gotta have a foil.
or at least a realistic view of the indecent lowlife thug Democrats and their perpetual communistic attacks on the USA and this president who has moved mountains for the American people.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26969 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 7:56 am to
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Fauci literally wanted us/wants us to shut down the entire fricking country. That is now confirmed.


He is a doctor. He’s supposed to tell u what you may not want to hear. “You’re fat, stop smoking, your diet is horrible, we need to do XyZ to stop/slow the virus.”


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His comments on yesterday to Jordan on dodging the protest question


This is absolutely where they have failed. To not say that packed streets and protests and riots are equal or worse than any other large gathering is utter nonsense. It should kill a little piece of their soul everytime they say such.
Posted by Tmcgin
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2010
4949 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 7:58 am to
I laughed at the title..thanks for getting my day off with a chuckle

15 cases soon to 0?
Posted by westide
Bamala
Member since Sep 2014
2882 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 8:57 am to
Fauci has been proven wrong so many times that only a fool would believe him.
Posted by Smedium27
Bestbank
Member since Aug 2010
3517 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:15 am to
It is pointless to tell Anti-Trumps/liberals the concept of America is testing more than any other country. This is information they have been informed to ignore

Instead they just keep using the same excuse of cases going up and look at other countries. But yet if you actually look at other countries you realize they slowed down testing to prevent a unneeded panic.. America wants that panic to use as a weapon against those who practice liberty
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:15 am to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39414 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:21 am to
horseshite.

All Trump ever did was tweet that HCQ was showing promise and the left went so fricking nuts that they even tried to get 2 anti-HCQ fake studies published. No one in the medical community was “against” HCQ until the left politicized it. Trump didn’t pick a fight with anyone.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39414 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:23 am to
Let’s assume that in 2018, we tested 60 million Americans for the seasonal flu.

Would 2018 be the biggest flu season in record?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
29959 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:28 am to
Talked to a friend and his wife yestereve who had both contracted the virus, and the guy related to me that he had to test several times in order to achieve the all clear test before he could go back to work at a bank. Well, he came to find out that each different test of positive before he finally tested negative were counted as an individual case, no distinction that it was the same person testing for the sole purpose of getting clean bill of health.

I mean, I can't even......
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 9:29 am
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17474 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:30 am to
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Would 2018 be the biggest flu season in record?


Yes
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39414 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:31 am to
I have a coworker who has 2 live-in relatives who tested positive, therefore (without a test and with no symptoms) he and his son are presumed positive and forced to self quarantine. 2 cases become 4.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
29959 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:32 am to
Truly outrageous.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56211 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:34 am to
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comments on yesterday to Jordan on dodging the protest question confirms he's purely making political assessments in his decisions.


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Most of our governors worked hard & smart. We will come back STRONG!
. This is the only thing he should be saying, is that he deemed it a State issue...period.
Posted by Smedium27
Bestbank
Member since Aug 2010
3517 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:39 am to
They are just setting up the norm of pandemics every year
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:39 am to
Below is my first post on Covid from March

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/covid-19-misunderstandings-in-statistics-ascertainment-bias-more-testing-more-cases/89042873/

The rand article predicted this trend

Politics have altered the landscape...

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For those who believe in math, statistics and shite...

Bias and fear are addressed

https://www.rand.org/blog/2020/03/estimates-of-covid-19s-fatality-rate-might-change-and.html

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COMMENTARY(The RAND Blog)
Estimates of COVID-19's Fatality Rate Might Change. And Then Change Again.

CDC staff support the COVID-19 (novel coronavirus) response in the the CDC Emergency Operations Center in Atlanta, Georgia, March 10, 2020Photo by James Gathany/CDC/Reuters by Raffaele Vardavas, Courtney A. Gidengil, Sarah A. Nowak March 11, 2020


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With infections of the new coronavirus confirmed now in 114 countries or regions, people around the world are following the daily tally of COVID-19 cases, wondering exactly how lethal this new disease is. The truth is, it's hard to know. An important measure of the deadliness of a disease outbreak is the case-fatality rate (CFR). The CFR is the ratio of the number of deaths attributed to a disease to the total number of confirmed cases. For example, a disease with two deaths out of 100 confirmed cases has a CFR of 2 percent. Media outlets often imply that the ratio of current deaths to all current cases is the case-fatality rate, but it's not. The case-fatality rate can only be calculated based on finalized cases in an outbreak—that is, once all patients have either recovered or died. But early in an outbreak, even good estimates of the CFR can be too high—or too low.


The media is peddling fear and a fundamental misunderstanding of math/realty
This is not without precedent (fake news)

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The primary reason why the CFR may overestimate the probability of death is that the number of confirmed diagnosed cases is likely an undercount of the true number of infections. This problem is known as ascertainment bias, which is to say that the medical system is much more likely to confront and diagnose severe cases and deaths than mild ones. Again suppose there were two deaths out of 100 resolved cases (people recovered or died)—but that an additional 50 mild cases have gone undetected. That means that while the CFR is 2 percent, the percent of all cases who have died is 2/150 = 1.3 percent. Early in an outbreak, even good estimates of the case-fatality rate can be too high—or too low. Share on Twitter This is why even as some reports from China say the death rate is 3.4 percent for known cases, medical experts such as Tom Frieden, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, say that number is “certainly an overestimate” and expect a global rate below 1 percent.


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An initial study from China analyzing COVID-19 cases reported as of Feb. 11 found an estimated case-fatality rate of 2.3 percent. Just a month later, as of March 10, in mainland China there were 3,136 deaths and 80,757 COVID-19 cases, giving an estimated case-fatality rate of 3.8 percent. A variety of factors could have caused the upward change in fatality-rate estimates, but it is likely partially attributable to the deaths of individuals whose cases were previously unresolved. The case-fatality rate was zero in the United States until the first U.S. death was reported on Feb. 29. As of March 11, it was 36 deaths of 1,291 cases, or an estimated CFR of 2.8 percent. But only eight cases are resolved. Still, there's reason to suspect that these rough early CFR calculations are, in fact, overestimating the probability that an individual who contracts COVID-19 will die from it. Reports suggest significant ascertainment bias for COVID-19: Approximately 80 percent of confirmed cases are mild. There may be many cases with very mild symptoms that have gone completely undetected. Regardless of what the final CFR ends up being, the public needs to understand how and why these figures evolve and change over the course of an outbreak. That will enable more transparent reporting on the part of media and policymakers, and ultimately help to avoid erosion of trust.
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11270 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 9:43 am to
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Fauci literally wanted us/wants us to shut down the entire fricking country. That is now confirmed.


Acknowledging others went further doesn’t mean we must
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39414 posts
Posted on 8/2/20 at 10:05 am to
Correct. Countries like Sweden did essentially nothing and are better off than just about anyone. It’s a lazy, slanted assumption on Faucis part, but wait a few minutes and he’ll be sure to contradict himself
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