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Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:25 am
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:25 am
i spent 20 minutes typing something to post and just deleted it all to get to the point.

I work. Wife stays at home with the kids, who arent in school yet but will be in the next 2 years. will prob be private Christian school. I do well financially. We have no debt except our home.

I looked over our bank statements from the last year and was SICK over how frivolously we spent money. We are trying to get on the same page regarding a budget but just can't get there. I've tried mint, excel spreadsheet, and some others. I get the whole monthly recurring bills, but what about random stuff like haircuts, vehicle maintenance, tires, and other one -offs? Should this all come from savings? Should checking literally only have enough for monthly bills? I never thought I would be "this" guy, but here we are...

Sorry for the STILL long post

ETA: I thought i knew how to budget but i guess i dont? how to budget for things that come up, but arent emergencies, and aren't monthly? Thinking of trying YNAB, but maybe i'd be wasting my time.

This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 11:41 am
Posted by rotrain
Member since Feb 2013
390 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:31 am to
I don't understand what the question is.
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:35 am to
do you see the three sentences that end with question marks?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18909 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:42 am to
quote:

I get the whole monthly recurring bills, but what about random stuff like haircuts, vehicle maintenance, tires, and other one -offs?
credit card. I treat it as one large "spending bill" that should not exceed $1,600

quote:

Should this all come from savings?

credit card

quote:

Should checking literally only have enough for monthly bills?
credit card

All while keeping 2-4k in checking. Savings should not be touched outside of house down payment.

Those are our rules.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 12:26 pm
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
2129 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:49 am to
Read your post. Now I know why Dave Ramsey tells people to use an envelope system. Seriously, I think his method might just work for you. Try reading Total Money Makeover with your wife.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
6452 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:56 am to
quote:

I get the whole monthly recurring bills, but what about random stuff like haircuts, vehicle maintenance, tires, and other one -offs?


Haircuts are in my budget. I see my barber every 4th Friday and I know it’s going to be $30. It’s part of the budget.

Vehicle maintenance is apart of my budget. I know what my truck requires every X,XXX miles, and I know pretty spot on how much I’ll drive, so I forecast it.

Tires are similar to budget. I actually just bought a set. I had 50k on my tires and told myself to slide $200 a month to the side for the impending tires. Exactly 4 months later I bought a set for $860, which I had $800 set aside for.

Other one-offs are still kind of accounted for. I know every 6 months I have to get our dogs shots and every 12 months I have to eat about $400 in heartworm medicine. I know these expenses will occur, so I’m always ready for them.

All of this take a little forecasting and coming to terms with Murphy’s law, to some degree.

And to be fair, I dip into my emergency fund sometimes too. It may just be $500, but to not severely derail the following month I may take 2 or 3 months to replenish that $500.
Posted by msutiger
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2008
69606 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:59 am to
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This post was edited on 4/10/23 at 3:56 pm
Posted by rotrain
Member since Feb 2013
390 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 12:09 pm to
Wow. You come here looking for help, post some incoherent rambling, I ask you to be more specific, and you respond like a jackass to someone trying to help you?

I started to try to get better clarification from you, but thought better of it. Have fun being a jackass who doesn't know how to pay bills (I think that is what you are trying to ask, still not sure.)


Posted by Larry Gooseman
Houston
Member since Mar 2014
2655 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 12:12 pm to
You could do what my dad did....made my mom get permission to spend over $30 (early 90s). You could scale that approach to fit your situation.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 1:54 pm to
You just have to have disposable Cash included in your budgeting. Some things, like what you listed, are just too random to budget for in my opinion.

I like to keep a minimum of $1000 per month of disposable income in my set budget so that I can save quickly when available and cover largish expenses readily.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 4:44 pm
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

You just have to have disposable Cash included in your budgeting. Some things, like what you listed, are just too random to budget for in my opinion.

I like to keep a minimum of $1000 per month of disable income in my set budget so that I can save quickly when available and cover largish expenses readily.


this was honestly the best solution i have thought of. I have a hard dollar amount for recurring monthly bills so i did think about have an extra $1000-$1200 in there for the random extras, but id have to be on the same page with my wife that when we hit that number, it might as well be zero unless it's for a one off. It's not just extra money to spend
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Wow. You come here looking for help, post some incoherent rambling, I ask you to be more specific, and you respond like a jackass to someone trying to help you?

I started to try to get better clarification from you, but thought better of it. Have fun being a jackass who doesn't know how to pay bills (I think that is what you are trying to ask, still not sure.)


by some miracle, 6 other people managed to comprehend my incoherent rambling and give me good answers and you are calling me the jackass?
Posted by GEAUXT
Member since Nov 2007
29237 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:37 pm to
I think it is important not to try to lay out too strict of a budget. You will absolutely underestimate random monthly expenses. I'd add at least $500 to whatever you think you'd spend. That gives you some flexibility for the inevitable expenses that magically appear every single month.

Our budget is basically what is left after funding retirement, paying car note, paying mortgage, and 529s.

Some months that means I add to our savings, which is mostly just for extra mortgage payments each year, and some months it means we go a little in the red.

I think it's a good idea to keep 2-3 months of expenses in checking to allow that fluctuation without any concern of dipping into savings for emergencies.

That system works for us at least.
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9280 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

Read your post. Now I know why Dave Ramsey tells people to use an envelope system. Seriously, I think his method might just work for you. Try reading Total Money Makeover with your wife.


I know that Dave Ramsey is hit or miss by people here.
But to the OP i would recommend seeing if your church or a local church (i say church cause thats where we did it) but somewhere that has the Financial Peace University class.

I know people will argue late stages of how to build your wealth but the early stages of learning to budget. Telling your money where to go and getting debt free is pretty great for the average american.

My wife and i did it 5 years ago now. We had good income but money was just gone each month. Did FPU learned to sit down and have a serious discussion on money. Got us both in the mindset of putting that first.

Now 5 years later went from about 6 sources of debt to 2. Have an emergency fund fully funded. Have a vacation fund that fills up quicker than it prolly should honestly and we pay everything in cash and know exactly what we have to spend and not. I can go the entire month without checking my bank account cause i budgeted earlier and already know where my money is being spent.

We are now transitioning to using a CC for all of our utilities and literally anything else we buy so that we can start earning rewards. But it still remains the same. Toughest part is making sure that you and your spouse are on the same page of goals.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17979 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:46 pm to
Congrats to your achievements. How much lower is the stress level now?
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16307 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 7:41 pm to
I'm working on our budget for this year and these are my categories based on last year's spending and things I know will come up. For anything that is repeated, I have specific areas but I don't want to display those here. But something like Entertainment would be Netflix, Disney+, and date night just listed separately.

Auto Gas
Auto Insurance
Auto Loan
Automotive
Cable/Internet
Charity
Clothes
College Savings
Convenience Store
Daycare
Electricity
Entertainment
Entertainment
Entertainment
Entertainment
Entertainment
Fast Food
Fee
Gift
Groceries
Gym
Gym
Gym
Hair
Healthcare
HOA Dues
Home Gas
Home Improvement
Home Improvement
Insurance
Insurance
Insurance
Kids
Kids
Kids
Lawn Service
Lawyer
Maid Service
Mortgage
Pest Control
Pets
Student Loan
Student Loan
Student Loan
Taxes
Travel
Travel
Utility
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