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Hate Crime laws are the camel’s nose in the tent to passing Hate Speech laws
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:49 pm
It is conditioning over time to get people to accept that certain speech should be a crime too. And if something can be called ‘hate speech’ then anything else can be called hate speech.
Notice that the phrase ‘hate speech’ is used more and more. The real goal is speech and thought control.
But SCOTUS!
You can’t count on a part of government to protect you from government.
Hate Crimes should be stricken from the books.
Notice that the phrase ‘hate speech’ is used more and more. The real goal is speech and thought control.
But SCOTUS!
You can’t count on a part of government to protect you from government.
Hate Crimes should be stricken from the books.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 3:56 pm
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:57 pm to weagle99
Gotta be honest. I read that as "camel's toes"
Posted on 5/20/19 at 4:02 pm to weagle99
The idea of hate crimes is ridiculous. Murder is murder. Assault is assault. Murdering or assaulting someone because of their ethnicity or sexual preference is no better or worse than doing it because I'm robbing them. It's still murder or assault.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 4:02 pm to weagle99
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Hate Crimes should be stricken from the books
Yep
Posted on 5/20/19 at 4:04 pm to TheHarahanian
Exactly. Have felt the same way since the first "hate crime" law.
The reason a person assaults or kills someone doesn't matter. The act is what is illegal.
The reason a person assaults or kills someone doesn't matter. The act is what is illegal.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 5:13 pm to weagle99
well said brother
Posted on 5/20/19 at 5:48 pm to weagle99
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It is conditioning over time to get people to accept that certain speech should be a crime too. And if something can be called ‘hate speech’ then anything else can be called hate speech.
Notice that the phrase ‘hate speech’ is used more and more. The real goal is speech and thought control.
But SCOTUS!
You can’t count on a part of government to protect you from government.
Hate Crimes should be stricken from the books.
Exactly, the first amendment is the target of hate laws.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 5:50 pm to weagle99
People with any sense at all knew this from the moment they were proposed
Posted on 5/20/19 at 5:51 pm to weagle99
Hate crimes are a blight on the Constitution.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 5:53 pm to weagle99
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Hate Crimes should be stricken from the books.
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Hate Crimes
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Hate
Think how stupid it is to pass laws against human emotions.
That would be like passing laws against fish swimming and birds flying.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 5:58 pm to weagle99
All hate crime laws are jokes. There is a multitude of laws already on the book to cover crimes, without going into motives.
If I kill you because you are gay, are you any more dead than if I killed you because you owed me money? Is the family of the person killed anymore comforted if I simply killed their loved one for greed instead of his skin color.
If it's premeditated murder, that's what it is and there is punishment for it already on the books.
If I kill you because you are gay, are you any more dead than if I killed you because you owed me money? Is the family of the person killed anymore comforted if I simply killed their loved one for greed instead of his skin color.
If it's premeditated murder, that's what it is and there is punishment for it already on the books.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 6:01 pm to weagle99
Get whitey...
Posted on 5/20/19 at 6:05 pm to Revelator
Shouting I love you during a crime makes it all good.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 6:05 pm to weagle99
I've said a million times, hate crimes are categorically punishment of bad thoughts/expressions thereof.
The two mental aspects involved in convicting one of a crime are: 1) motive, which is generally most relevant in determining whodunnit and helping prove it beyond a reasonable doubt (i.e., it's evidentiary), and 2) the mens rea element of the crime itself (crimes by definition require mens rea and actus reus)--almost always intent--and specific intent for more serious crimes --so the crime itself and proving the crime "bake in" all the thought needed to make a crime a crime and prove D committed it. This has been established since English Common Law, and even before.
So, when you add punishment for thoughts over and above those two mental aspects/elements described above, what are you punishing? Pure thought and the expression of it through speech, etc.
You simply cannot constitutionally layer hate crime onto our existing criminal law, without running afoul of at least a handful of Constitutional amendments, and primarily the First one .
The two mental aspects involved in convicting one of a crime are: 1) motive, which is generally most relevant in determining whodunnit and helping prove it beyond a reasonable doubt (i.e., it's evidentiary), and 2) the mens rea element of the crime itself (crimes by definition require mens rea and actus reus)--almost always intent--and specific intent for more serious crimes --so the crime itself and proving the crime "bake in" all the thought needed to make a crime a crime and prove D committed it. This has been established since English Common Law, and even before.
So, when you add punishment for thoughts over and above those two mental aspects/elements described above, what are you punishing? Pure thought and the expression of it through speech, etc.
You simply cannot constitutionally layer hate crime onto our existing criminal law, without running afoul of at least a handful of Constitutional amendments, and primarily the First one .
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 6:06 pm to Revelator
So true, we have ample hate crime legislation in every State already: Murder, Agg Assault, Rape, Criminal Damage to Property, Child Molestation and the list goes on and on ....There is no crime someone could do out of bigotry that is not amply covered in state and federal law.
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