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Media more outraged that the Saints beat the Vikings

Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:33 pm
Posted by VA LSU fan
Virginia
Member since Dec 2007
7884 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:33 pm
then they were finding out that a 3 time Super Bowl champion was cheating and the commishioner destroyed the evidence. The Saints may have won with a few gifts but in all this Vikings dominated T.O.P and yardage they fail to mention Saints dominated special teams...better kickoffs, better punts, and better returns(Minus reggie's fumble).

Normally I am not on the media hates the Saints due to the size market that New Orleans is, but this is getting stupid. Colon Cowherd and Darren Woodson were just talking about it as if it was an NFL screwjob.

Respond if you need to, I just had to vent after 2 days of media bullshite.

(By the way Colon was intentional)
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
69059 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:36 pm to
don't let the national media get you down.
The better team won. There is no "fair" no matter what the stats say a winning team does not turnover 5 - 1.
The Saints are in the Superbowl, just enjoy it.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
72909 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:38 pm to
All that matters is the scoreboard. All the rest is just whining. I would watch ESPN very sparingly for the next couple of weeks.
Posted by ganttenator
Thompson's Station Tn.
Member since Aug 2006
1294 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:41 pm to
I'm unsure as to why the market thing was an issue as it is a fact that this NFC championship was one of the all time most watched. Also, the Saints market extends beyond New Orleans which some fail to realize.

I don't think the Saints played a great game at all. I do believe the Vikings had a bit of a better day, but turnovers killed them and in the end the Saints did what that had to do to win in overtime. Bottom line, the Saints beat the Vikings period, but their will always be some animosity from someone somewhere.
Posted by Sammobile
Hollywood South
Member since Jan 2009
22329 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:42 pm to
Greatest Saints team ever, even when we aren't playing our best we STILL Win ballgames
Posted by liquid rabbit
Boxtard BPB®© emeritus
Member since Mar 2006
60257 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

ganttenator

Is that a current pic of Favre in your sig?
Posted by ganttenator
Thompson's Station Tn.
Member since Aug 2006
1294 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

Greatest Saints team ever, even when we aren't playing our best we STILL Win ballgames


!00% agree!!!

Posted by FanInLA
Member since May 2008
4966 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

Normally I am not on the media hates the Saints due to the size market that New Orleans is


Yeah, like the Minn marker is so huge.
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21318 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:15 pm to
Just enjoy the show. It makes it that much better when the Saints win.
Posted by LSUFanNTX
Seabrook, TX
Member since May 2005
9108 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:32 pm to
Look at it this way, in two weeks they're really going to be pissed.
Posted by Crouxtawnz
Member since Jul 2007
93 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

Media more outraged that the Saints beat the Vikings
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:50 pm to
Here, this should help you:

quote:

SAINTS-VIKINGS: Yes, the Vikings had an advantage of more than 200 net yards, but they also had a lot more plays. Minnesota ended up with a smaller advantage in yards per play, 5.8 to New Orleans' 4.7. Yards per play (and DVOA) say more about a team's future performance than total yards. The difference between the Vikings' per-play performance and the Saints' per-play performance gets made up by three things:

*The Saints were much more efficient in the red zone than on the rest of the field. They ran seven plays in the red zone and three of them were touchdowns. In the third quarter, Pierre Thomas had three straight runs in the red zone and gained 6, 5, and 9 yards against the best run defense in the NFL.

*The Saints were much better on special teams, for two reasons: Courtney Roby's long kick return to start the second half, and a big day from rookie punter Thomas Morstead. Morstead averaged 52 gross yards and 48.5 net yards per punt.

*The fumbles


From ESPN contributors footballoutsiders.com: LINK
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12466 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:54 pm to
Great points. The Vikings received 5 kickoffs and got a total of 33 yards. That is huge.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45218 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:59 pm to
Excellent comment from the link I provided:

quote:

While the Vikings out-gained the Saints by a lot of yards, at least some of that yardage advantage was not meaningful.
First, the TD drives. The Vikings scored TDs on drives that gained 290 yards. The Saints scored their TDs on drives totalling 184 yards because they twice converted excellent field position into TDs, once after the Roby KO return to the MIN37 and once after recovering a fumble on the MIN7. The Vikings only scored once on a relatively short field (their last TD, starting at the MIN43) and blew their other short field chance at the NO10. But the NO offense did all it could with their two short-field chances - if the Vikings defense was really "dominating" (Vince's word) the Saints, they would have held on those possessions and left the Saints' with one chip shot FG and one long try; the extra 100+ yards the Vikings gained may not tell us anything about how much better they were playing than the Saints.
Second, MIN had four drives where they gained substantial yardage but did not come away with points immediately. One of those drives, early in the 4th period, gained 60+ yards before ending in Berrian's fumble. The Vikings defense held - thanks in part to Brees blowing a snap - and forced a punt from the NO14, resulting in the Vikings getting the ball at the MIN43. That drive, although it did not result in points, helped change the field position and set up the Vikings final TD, so it had some value. On three other drives, which gained about 150 yards, the Vikings did not even accrue any field position.
-After the Saints' 2nd TD, the Vikings started at their 20, drove in Saints' territory, and punted. The defense held NO w/o a 1st down, but the punt moved the Vikings back to the MIN24. Despite out-gaining the Saints by 20+ yards on that exchange of possessions, the Vikings only netted 4 yards of field position.
- Early in the 3rd period, the Vikings drove from the MIN10 over 50 yards before Favre threw his 1st pick (the play where he got hit below the knees). Again the Saints couldn't get a 1st down but the punt left the Vikings on the MIN17. Over 40+ yards of offense and a 15-yard penalty, a 30+ yard offensive advantage for the Vikings, and the net on the exchange was 7 yards. (Two plays later the Harvin fumble gave the Saints the ball at the MIN7).
- And on the Vikings' final drive, they gained over 40 yards before turning it over.
The Vikings offense generated almost 100 yards more than the Saints on those three possessions that was rendered essentially meaningless because of turnovers (their own poor play or the Saints' good play, take your pick) and excellent punting,which was the heart of Aaron's comments.
Roughly 200 yards of extra yardage gained that turned into no extra points or field position advantage. Turnovers and punts are part of the game too.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12466 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 2:04 pm to
I feel like that expressed everything I've been thinking for the past two days.........well with actual facts to back it up. Morstead was so huge in the game. I get annoyed when fans and analysts forget that punters and kickers get paid to play the game just like the rest of the players.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36900 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

Turnovers and punts are part of the game too.


i am glad someone said this.

i don't get why the vikings are given a pass on the turnovers but the saints have to deal with this talk.

if the vikings were the better team then maybe they should have held onto the ball.

none of it matters to me. we could have played like complete crap but we are still going to miami.

when i got to work on monday one of my coworkers asked me how much our fans paid the refs (he was just messing around) and i just said that i was happy someone finally did.

pay no attention to the haters. in 20 years the vikings will be forgotten about. we will still remember the first time we went to the super bowl.
Posted by CovingtonTiger
Covington, LA
Member since Oct 2007
541 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 2:25 pm to
I think that a serious argument could be made that Morestead was the most valuable player for the Saints. His punting, not only for distance but high enough so that the punts were difficult to return, really saved the Saints when the offense was not moving the ball.
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