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Griff be damned, he destroyed the off season
Posted on 11/27/21 at 12:35 am
Posted on 11/27/21 at 12:35 am
Jonas
Herb
Graham
Murphy
Absolute A+
Herb
Graham
Murphy
Absolute A+
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Posted on 11/27/21 at 1:09 am to Pelefraan 1
We’re 5-16, settle down.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 2:29 am to Pelefraan 1
Nah, he got absolutely nothing for Lonzo. Got pushed around by Hart and as a result had to include a first to get Graham. Was not able to get a Gary Trent Jr, Bobby Portis or Doug McDermott type FA bc he was too busy getting played by Klutch, Chicago, Lowry, and Cp3. Was not able to extend the Memphis trade into anything but a trade exception.
There were good things he did in the offseason, but there were an equal amount of bad things. It was the most important offseason in Pelicans history and he was mediocre at best if you look at the true sum of all of the moves that were made.
There were good things he did in the offseason, but there were an equal amount of bad things. It was the most important offseason in Pelicans history and he was mediocre at best if you look at the true sum of all of the moves that were made.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 7:00 am to Pelefraan 1
We honestly still need to see what the team looks like with Zion to evaluate the front office's performance.
That was true when we were on an umpteen-game losing streak, and it's still true now that we've won a few.
That was true when we were on an umpteen-game losing streak, and it's still true now that we've won a few.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 7:25 am to GOP_Tiger
I don’t see why, the team Griff actually built is on the court every night. Zion is the fluke freak that was gifted to him, and so far, Griff has done a shite job building around Zion.
Zion will elevate the team, as he would ANY team, but why that should boost Griff’s reputation or performance grade is where I disagree.
Nothing for me has changed, he has mismanaged this franchise at every critical juncture and needs to be gone after this season
Zion will elevate the team, as he would ANY team, but why that should boost Griff’s reputation or performance grade is where I disagree.
Nothing for me has changed, he has mismanaged this franchise at every critical juncture and needs to be gone after this season
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 7:28 am
Posted on 11/27/21 at 7:54 am to Bronc
I don’t think he’s completely whiffed. I really think it’s taken 20 games to figure out rotations and minutes.
Positives he’s made.
Drafting herb
Getting graham
Getting Jonas
Keeping bad contracts off the books
Hiring Willie
Getting a solid return for Davis
Hart contract
Negatives
Hayes pick obvious
Adam’s move
The Bledsoe move wasn’t really a big deal as they were able to move and the Zion health issues have hurt but they are fine.
Positives he’s made.
Drafting herb
Getting graham
Getting Jonas
Keeping bad contracts off the books
Hiring Willie
Getting a solid return for Davis
Hart contract
Negatives
Hayes pick obvious
Adam’s move
The Bledsoe move wasn’t really a big deal as they were able to move and the Zion health issues have hurt but they are fine.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:06 am to Bronc
You can’t build around someone who doesn’t play.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:10 am to SulphursFinest
Point Zion was a thing to behold. Basketball players are Uber athletic but they are definitely lacking in strength. Lebron’s domination shows what can happen when some who is under long and athletic is ALSO extremely powerful.
Zion’s game is more power and less skill but still extremely effective offensively (obviously his defense is extremely lacking at the moment).
Zion’s game is more power and less skill but still extremely effective offensively (obviously his defense is extremely lacking at the moment).
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:12 am to Sharp85
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Positives he’s made.
Drafting herb
Getting graham
Getting Jonas
Keeping bad contracts off the books
Hiring Willie
Getting a solid return for Davis
Hart contract
Negatives
Hayes pick obvious
Adam’s move
Melli
Favors
Bledsoe
Stan Van Gundy hire
Letting Christian Wood walk
Burning bridges with Zion
Kira Lewis over any other BPA point guard at the time
Getting nothing for Lonzo but 15 million in near unplayable contracts
Forcing yourself into a desperate position where you have to overpay for Graham
Signing multiple scrubs to long term deals
Generally speaking, having a worse supporting cast and shallower roster in year three than year one.
Wasting free agency trying to court players that had no desire to come here, pushing you into desperation like throwing 22 million at Tim Hardaway. So you say no bad contracts, but it’s not for lack of trying
You left off quite a few negatives imo….
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 8:14 am
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:12 am to Pelefraan 1
There was some nice things they did this off-season in retrospect. I’d add Harts team friendly deal to what you listed. Unfortunately though we’re still paying for the sins of failures from the previous two off seasons.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:21 am to LesGeaux45
And the only reason we wouldn’t be poised to be paying for another round of sins is because Griff has poisoned this franchise’s reputation so much that even role players like Tim Hardaway wouldn’t take a franchise crippling overpay to come here.
I’m not sure why people continue to bend over backwards to excuse how poorly Griff has ran this franchise?
By every account we have, going back to his Cleveland and Pho days, the moment Griff has the opportunity again, he is going to cripple this franchise with another boneheaded deal that demonstrates he doesn’t know how to build a cohesive roster around Zion and BI. The only reason it didn’t happen this off-season was because the people outside his influence in the market prevented it because they wanted nothing to do with him.
I’m not sure why people continue to bend over backwards to excuse how poorly Griff has ran this franchise?
By every account we have, going back to his Cleveland and Pho days, the moment Griff has the opportunity again, he is going to cripple this franchise with another boneheaded deal that demonstrates he doesn’t know how to build a cohesive roster around Zion and BI. The only reason it didn’t happen this off-season was because the people outside his influence in the market prevented it because they wanted nothing to do with him.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:26 am to Bronc
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Nothing for me has changed, he has mismanaged this franchise at every critical juncture and needs to be gone after this season
I don't care if he swindles the Kings, gets Fox for pennies on the dollar, and having a lead guard is as magic as we hope and the Pels get to the 2nd round. He has absolutely made too many mistakes and burned his own credibility with the fans.
The question to me has always been what's better for stability and keeping Zion. Firing just Griff and bringing in a senior advisor to supervise Langdon, or could you clean house in the FO and get a good replacement while keeping certain things in place like the coaches and Swin (not sure what her job actually is but the players seem to like her).
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:32 am to Bronc
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And the only reason we wouldn’t be poised to be paying for another round of sins is because Griff has poisoned this franchise’s reputation so much that even role players like Tim Hardaway wouldn’t take a franchise crippling overpay to come here.
If you look at everyone who turned us down they went with or stayed with teams that were already playoff teams. I think it's as simple as the Pels aren't considered a playoff team yet because they aren't. That is the mistake Griff made, not realizing something so simple, that even he wouldn't be able to convince free agents that this team was a safer bet to make the playoffs than existing playoff teams.
Had he known that ahead of time, which he should have considering what his job is, he could have easily predicted everyone turning him down and come up with alternate plans. Either going hard at Dinwidee from the start, or targeting a trade for someone like Rubio.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 8:36 am to TigerinATL
I think whatever you do you don’t repeat the mistakes of history and try and micromanage the new guy, or buy into the snake oil pitches of the person that tells you what you want to hear because it makes life easier in your mind.
If Willy is truly the coach some think he is(and I like him, but I want to see him when he has Zion and how he looks without the fog of an unhealthy bad team), the next GM will want to keep him, just like happened with Vinson and I would guess will happen with someone like Witherspoon. But Trajan really hasn’t demonstrated anything for me. I honestly can’t think of a single thing he has supposedly done that’s positive besides BI apparently not hating him?
I think whoever you bring in needs to be given the autonomy and commitment Griff was given(because that wasn’t the problem, it was who they gave it to that was imo), but no pre-conditions, and hope third times the charm.
If Willy is truly the coach some think he is(and I like him, but I want to see him when he has Zion and how he looks without the fog of an unhealthy bad team), the next GM will want to keep him, just like happened with Vinson and I would guess will happen with someone like Witherspoon. But Trajan really hasn’t demonstrated anything for me. I honestly can’t think of a single thing he has supposedly done that’s positive besides BI apparently not hating him?
I think whoever you bring in needs to be given the autonomy and commitment Griff was given(because that wasn’t the problem, it was who they gave it to that was imo), but no pre-conditions, and hope third times the charm.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
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Had he known that ahead of time, which he should have considering what his job is, he could have easily predicted everyone turning him down and come up with alternate plans. Either going hard at Dinwidee from the start, or targeting a trade for someone like Rubio.
I said this multiple times in the Lowry threads. We had no business chasing him or CP3. Said we should be calling the magic or bobcats since they were flush with extra point guards. I was even the first person to mention getting Graham or Scary Terry on here.
Griff had an average to above average off-season. His best one so far but it just looks a lot better since he totally botched the other two. At least it looks like he finally made two decent draft picks.
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/27/21 at 9:50 am to Bronc
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Negatives
Hayes pick obvious
Adam’s move
Melli
Favors
Bledsoe
Stan Van Gundy hire
Letting Christian Wood walk
Burning bridges with Zion
Kira Lewis over any other BPA point guard at the time
Getting nothing for Lonzo but 15 million in near unplayable contracts
Forcing yourself into a desperate position where you have to overpay for Graham
Signing multiple scrubs to long term deals
May I add....
Exposing the team to a team cancer (JJ Red-DICK)
Letting All-Star, Julius Randall, slip through his fingers for nothing in favor of perrenial back-up, Derrick 'The $18,000,000 Bust' Favors.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 10:17 am to Pelefraan 1
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Graham
He’s a fun guy to cheer for and makes some big plays, but I think most good teams would have him as a 6th man scorer. I wouldnt say he’s an absolute A+ at shooting sub 40% from FG and not an outstanding 3pt %, not to mention he’s gonna get picked apart on defense in big games
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Murphy
I wish he was an A+, but he just hasnt been up to this point
Posted on 11/27/21 at 10:22 am to Pelefraan 1
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Jonas
A+
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Herb
A-, steal of the draft at thus point
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Graham
C. Love the contract, hate the assets we gave up and he's not a starter on a playoff team.
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Murphy
D, but hes probably going to be good with a season under his belt and hitting the weights.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 10:58 am to whatiknowsofar
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C. Love the contract, hate the assets we gave up and he's not a starter on a playoff team
Absolutely wrong take here, Graham has been the spark plug we needed at crucial moments like last night, he's on a great contract, and we gave up a lottery protected 1st. That's a pretty good trade imo, at this year's trade deadline anyone on this board would give up a lottery protected pick for him and call it a genius move.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 11:12 am to Bronc
You listed a bunch of league minimum guys. Wood is a stat guy on a bad team. I don’t know Zion personally so I’m not going to speculate his relationship with front office or listen to anything media says. Give them 25-30 games with a healthy Zion then judge the moves.
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