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re: Jimbo is the crazy crossroads of completely settling while paying the highest salary
Posted on 11/6/21 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/6/21 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
It's hard to win a NC.
Who is it that you want? Riley, who's had two Heisman winning QBs and done nothing with them? With any other viable candidate, we're projecting what they might do as opposed to relying on any evidence of their capabilities.
You have to have a definite preference to be this opposed to Jimbo.
Who is it that you want? Riley, who's had two Heisman winning QBs and done nothing with them? With any other viable candidate, we're projecting what they might do as opposed to relying on any evidence of their capabilities.
You have to have a definite preference to be this opposed to Jimbo.
This post was edited on 11/6/21 at 11:56 am
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Posted on 11/6/21 at 11:55 am to LSUminati
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Not so much a cliff - but if we get a coach who doesn't pan out and we get further removed from 2019, then you have entered into a state of purgatory that would really require hitting big on the next person.
Same applies to Jimbo.
Except we can move on from an Aranda, Napier, etc. We can't from Jimbo. We're stuck with him...
Posted on 11/6/21 at 11:57 am to Goldrush25
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It's hard to win a NC.
If he's making the top salary, NCs are a requirement.
He hasn't made the playoffs in 7 years.
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You have to have a definite preference to be this opposed to Jimbo.
I'd be fine with Aranda, Napier, Tucker, Kiffin, etc. for $6-7M/year on a 5 year deal before we drop 10 years and $100-120M on Jimbo.
If Aaranda, etc. don't pan out we can fire them. We're stuck with Jimbo.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Our fan base is unrealistic SFP not only that super complacent.
They would gladly give Jimbo 10 yrs $120 mill and after 3 yrs cry he needs more time.
I agree with your take to get some younger and hungrier with less dollar and term.
Nothing changes in that scenario 3 yrs to prove if not see the door.
LSU offers Jimbo this massive deal and he fails (which he will) we are shite fricked with that contract and Os. LSU doesn't have the money we think we do. We can't offer massive contract after massive without donors looking at the AD who's arse would be on a chopping block.
They would gladly give Jimbo 10 yrs $120 mill and after 3 yrs cry he needs more time.
I agree with your take to get some younger and hungrier with less dollar and term.
Nothing changes in that scenario 3 yrs to prove if not see the door.
LSU offers Jimbo this massive deal and he fails (which he will) we are shite fricked with that contract and Os. LSU doesn't have the money we think we do. We can't offer massive contract after massive without donors looking at the AD who's arse would be on a chopping block.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Except we can move on from an Aranda, Napier, etc. We can't from Jimbo. We're stuck with him...
I haven't seen any evidence that LSU would allow themselves to be hamstrung with a football coach longer than we want to be. We got Les out of there, we got numbskull out of there, but you think Jimbo would just be stuck here?
You guys are complaining about contracts and terms that haven't even been put into motion. No one knows what terms Jimbo would be offered.
Can you guys at least wait until
A. Jimbo is confirmed as a candidate and
B. He gets these terms you think he will
Before you all freak out?
This post was edited on 11/6/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:04 pm to Goldrush25
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You guys are complaining about contracts and terms that haven't even been put into motion. No one knows what terms Jimbo would be offered.
You think he'd leave A&M with anything less than what he signed there?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:07 pm to Magician2
I don't know what he would be offered.
I think if he gets a 5-6 year deal people are still going to freak out because they've planted their flag in a certain coach's camp.
I think if he gets a 5-6 year deal people are still going to freak out because they've planted their flag in a certain coach's camp.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:09 pm to Goldrush25
He’s not leaving a guaranteed 10 year deal for a much more cutthroat gig
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:09 pm to Magician2
Jimbo is in route to losing to miss state, arkansas, and auburn this year. Any way you slice that, its not very good. And then couple that with a win over bama and you will be left with alot of questions about what is going on there that aren't good either.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:18 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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We’ve seen Jimbo’s ceiling. It’s undefeated and a Heisman QB.
That’s also Orgeron’s ceiling and we’re running his arse. Jimbo has one good season in the last 4. If he wins out this season, it could be 2/5. He also has a losing season in that span. He made sense for A&M, but I don’t see the appeal for a program like LSU.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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8 years ago and he only came close to that once...the next year with the same generational QB
We just did the whole "amazing season with a generational QB" thing.
Are we comparing Jameis Winston to Joe Burrow now??
The fact that Winston is considered a @generational QB” at all only strengthens Jimbo’s case as a QB guru imo.
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Now tell me what Jimbo has done post-Jameis? FSU slid into mediocrity-terrible (his last year was terrible he has to own it) and then he goes to TAMU and is meh. Hasn't come close to anything special and has been pretty low key bad at QB (for an alleged offensive/QB guru).
He went 10-3 in both 2015 and 2016 with another top 10 finish and Orange Bowl win before things became toxic between him and the admin in 2017 and he was one foot out the door.
Be finished 9-1 and in the top 5 last season and could easily finish top 10 again this year.
Every QB he’s had since Winston has had 20+ TDs and single digit INTs.
He’s by far the most successful coach we’re talking about outside of Riley.
Again, I’m not doing backflips about it, and was pretty bummed when I first started hearing talk about it.
But if you don’t dig in on a position and just think about the people he’s in the running with, it’s pretty clear he’s by far the most qualified and yea I think his ceiling has to be considered higher than someone who hasn’t even made it through the Sun Belt undefeated.
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All for the low cost of highest-paid coach in CFB
This post was edited on 11/6/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'd be fine with Aranda, Napier, Tucker, Kiffin, etc. for $6-7M/year on a 5 year deal before we drop 10 years and $100-120M on Jimbo.
I agree with Kiffin.
The other three are nowhere near Jimbo’s level imo. Not even close.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:25 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Are we comparing Jameis Winston to Joe Burrow now??
The fact that Winston is considered a @generational QB” at all only strengthens Jimbo’s case as a QB guru imo.
Where is this revisionism coming from? Jameis was generational. He was a super elite recruit, Heisman winner, and #1 draft pick (and solid NFL QB).
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Every QB he’s had since Winston has had 20+ TDs and single digit INTs.
Great stats for 2005
Your dismissal of his contract ignores the biggest issue with picking Jimbo (and a key point of this thread).
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:27 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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He’s by far the most successful coach we’re talking about outside of Riley.
Riley is all the rage on this board but he's had TWO "generational" QBs and has no NCs to show for it. I don't get the double standards.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:28 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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The other three are nowhere near Jimbo’s level imo. Not even close.
We don't know this. Aranda is on the path to a better year than Jimbo this year and brings a much more modern approach.
But, again, you ignore the main point. They won't cost nearly as much as Jimbo and if they fail we can move on. If Jimbo fails we are stuck with him until like 2029 or 2030 or some insane shite.
Hiring Jimbo to that sort of contract means he has to basically be in the playoffs every other year to make it worth the risk.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:28 pm to JPLSU1981
Dabo would be a worse hire than Jimbo.
Dabo is a les miles/ Ed o on steroids. He coaches nothing and relies on his oc and dc. We just paid 17M to get away from that. Now Dabo has until recently been much better at having a OC/DC.
I’d rather jimbo than dabo
Dabo is a les miles/ Ed o on steroids. He coaches nothing and relies on his oc and dc. We just paid 17M to get away from that. Now Dabo has until recently been much better at having a OC/DC.
I’d rather jimbo than dabo
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:29 pm to Goldrush25
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Riley is all the rage on this board but he's had TWO "generational" QBs and has no NCs to show for it. I don't get the double standards.
Riley has done it more recently than 2014. Jimbo's been meh-bad 2015-2021.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:31 pm to Goldrush25
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Riley is all the rage on this board but he's had TWO "generational" QBs and has no NCs to show for it. I don't get the double standards.
Riley is 37/39 yrs old?
He has one of if not the most dynamic offenses every single damn year. He recruits just as well as Jimbo. His Achilles hill is defense but you just need to get him a DC worth a frick. Grinch sucks always has and brother Stoops was terrible.
He has way more upside than Jimbo.
To my knowledge he also doesn't lose shitty games like Jimbo does every year. He's had plenty of close games but he wins.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
My worry on Jimbo is he is mostly complacent since winning his NC. He could come here and win one and then be a Ed O clone.
We need a Riley or Aranda that wants sustained dominance
We need a Riley or Aranda that wants sustained dominance
Posted on 11/6/21 at 12:34 pm to Magician2
Anyone trying to down play Riley/ not want him should probably be banned because they aren’t smart enough to be online unsupervised.
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