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re: Jimbo is the crazy crossroads of completely settling while paying the highest salary
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
You people are insane if you believe Les and Jimbo are
on the same level. The only year Les didn`t hold back his
offense was 2007 with Crowton. It was assH Pelini on
Defense and his his way or the highway philosphy that led
to 2 losses. During the 2008 season is when Miles started
playing not to lose.
Jimbo is a much better coach than LES.Much better than O
and he won it all.He`s not my choice but we could do a hell
of alot worse.
on the same level. The only year Les didn`t hold back his
offense was 2007 with Crowton. It was assH Pelini on
Defense and his his way or the highway philosphy that led
to 2 losses. During the 2008 season is when Miles started
playing not to lose.
Jimbo is a much better coach than LES.Much better than O
and he won it all.He`s not my choice but we could do a hell
of alot worse.
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Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
Five star DT and No. 2 overall recruit Walter Nolan just committed to A&M
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:21 pm to CRW
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During the 2008 season is when Miles started playing not to lose.
Nah fam. 2008 is the year that scarred Miles. He started playing not to lose post this year
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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If Jimbo is such a great QB developer, why has he had shite at QB post-Jameis? This is a significant sample size (7 years) to judge his current status.
Well like I said, he hasn’t. It’s easy to say oh well Mond or Francois are shite, but if you look at the numbers they put up under him compared to what they did without him, he clearly got the best out of them.
Hell even Golson’s rating was much higher in 2015 under Jimbo than it was at ND under Kelly.
Those are really the only QBs he’s worked with in that time before this year aside from Blackmon who wasn’t supposed to be the starter in 2017 when, again, Jimbo was clearly on the outs with the FSU admin and was already out the door.
Your arguments about the buyout or his outdated scheme are much more convincing than trying to tear him down as a QB developer by just saying his QBs have been “shite” when the numbers just don’t back that up
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m not making a whole thread on this but I can confirm that Jimbo's name is circulating around people close to the LSU’s football program. That’s a fact and it is somewhat worrisome because I am one who doesn’t particularly like the idea of hiring Jimbo. I believe this is a smokescreen for someone else. Time will tell.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:35 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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by just saying his QBs have been “shite” when the numbers just don’t back that up
He hasn't had a really good (not even elite) QB since Jameis
20 TDs isn't anything in today's game.
Mond's highest TD total was 24. TWENTY FOUR. he also never threw at a 65% completion rate his entire career. Hell he was only over 60% twice.
It doesn't get better if you go to Fisher's final 3 years at FSU. Best individual TD total was 20.
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Hell even Golson’s rating was much higher in 2015 under Jimbo than it was at ND under Kelly.
143.6 to 149.2
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Does Jimbo do anything well in your mind? I'm wondering how such an underwhelming coach beat Nick Saban with a backup QB.
And what could he do to change your mind?
And what could he do to change your mind?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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WTF why? With that sort of commitment it should be by 2023 minimum. FOUR years just to make the playoffs? To justify his deal we need a title in 4 years.
No one is getting fired if they make the playoffs. Period. It’s easy to say making the playoff isn’t enough but he’ll get four years and if we are in the CFP he isn’t a “failure” where the talk of a buyout is even a talking point.
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LSU isn't paying a $50M+ buyout. Just isn't going to happen in our lifetimes. The optics alone are horrible.
I was in college when Dinardo got fired, and if you’d have told me then we’d be paying 17 million to fire a coach twenty years later I’d have said you were crazy
:ferrisbuellergif:
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I'm not assuming the worst happens. I'm assuming he hits his ceiling of 2-3 losses somewhat regularly.
I disagree that his ceiling is 2-3 losses.
Hell he lost 1 last season.
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This isn't 2015 anymore. Jimbo of 2021 isn't Jimbo of 2015 anymore. We don't know if guys like Napier or Aranda are "worse" because Jimbo hasn't exactly been elite at TAMU.
It isn’t 2005 anymore either.
LSU hiring a HC with 2 or 3 years of experience from UL or Baylor would be a catastrophically underwhelming hire given the stature of this program over the past 20 years.
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Bull fricking shite. Not seeking out an irrational contract is not the same as "pinching pennies"
Dude, what about sports contracts are in any way “rational”???
You just aren’t looking at this through the proper lens, which is Monopoly money man.
I’m not saying it’s the way it should be, but it most certainly is the way it is.
What do you honestly think we pay Napier or Aranda if we hire them?
If you think we’re going to pay much less than we’re paying O right now, I have some bad news for you.
O should have gotten maybe half of what he got in 2017, and certainly shouldn’t have gotten that absurd extension, but the numbers are what they are.
These idiots think the prestige of the position should dictate the value, not the value of the person in the position.
Saying Jimbo at 12/8 doesn’t give us a way out is ignoring the fact these next tier guys are probably getting 7-8/5-6 anyway.
It will still take a substantial buyout if they don’t succeed, so you’re talking about the difference between the two, not just the flat cost of Jimbo’s buyout when weighing the benefit of making the lower cost hire.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:53 pm to S
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Announce JaMarcus OC
Lol. If we could run the same playbook in 2005 where we always had receivers wide the frick open while Jamarcus threw them utterly gorgeous passes while also not being able to run the ball, it would be hilarious.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:58 pm to Goldrush25
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Does Jimbo do anything well in your mind?
He's a great recruiter. He's a solid/unspectacular coach recently. Nothing amazing.
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I'm wondering how such an underwhelming coach beat Nick Saban with a backup QB.
He also lost to a Moo State team that O beat this year.
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And what could he do to change your mind?
Take a reasonable contract. I have no issues with Jimbo at 5/40
Posted on 11/6/21 at 2:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Mond's highest TD total was 24. TWENTY FOUR. he also never threw at a 65% completion rate his entire career. Hell he was only over 60% twice.
What were his numbers before Jimbo got there? How did they compare to his numbers under Jimbo?
Do the same for his FSU QBs after he left.
Also notice you didn’t mention their low INT numbers across the board.
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143.6 to 149.2
His completion percentage went from 60 to 67 percent and he went from 29/14 to 11/3 TD/INT in just over half of the attempts.
Again, I’m not arguing that I wouldn’t want a more potent attack. But the production he’s gotten out of some pretty mediocre QBs imo gives me hope that he’d be more aggressive with the talent he’d get in BR the same way he was when he had a QB he fully trusted in Winston.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 3:03 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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I disagree that his ceiling is 2-3 losses.
Hell he lost 1 last season.
Last season wasn't a full season
In a full 12-game season, what have his losses been post-2014?
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LSU hiring a HC with 2 or 3 years of experience from UL or Baylor would be a catastrophically underwhelming hire given the stature of this program over the past 20 years.
Why? That makes no sense whatsoever.
Where our coach comes from is irrelevant. His process/intelligence/plan is what's important. Have y'all learned nothing from Saban? The process matters. Results follow good process.
Results-oriented thinking is how we had to pay a guy a tick above mentally challenged $17M to go away after he destroyed our program. That's how we got stuck with Miles and his bullshite for so long after it was clear (in 2005) that he had major issues. I fear Jimbo is going to be like Miles..just enough to create Stockholm Syndrome in the fanbase (especially with that mythical recruiting class we can't lose) to justify a mediocre output given our program's potential. Jimbo SCREAMS Miles, from the stubborn faith in an out-dated offense to the great recruiting.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 3:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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What were his numbers before Jimbo got there? How did they compare to his numbers under Jimbo?
He played 4 years under Jimbo, bro
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Also notice you didn’t mention their low INT numbers across the board.
That's some Les Miles shite, bro.
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His completion percentage went from 60 to 67 percent and he went from 29/14 to 11/3 TD/INT in just over half of the attempts.
And yet his rating barely improved. Why?
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But the production he’s gotten out of some pretty mediocre QBs imo gives me hope that he’d be more aggressive with the talent he’d get in BR the same way he was when he had a QB he fully trusted in Winston.
He's supposed to recruit those guys. He's failed for SEVEN years. Why?
Posted on 11/6/21 at 3:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Where our coach comes from is irrelevant. His process/intelligence/plan is what's important. Have y'all learned nothing from Saban? The process matters. Results follow good process.
If process/plan is important, then we don't have enough information on Napier or Aranda to make an informed decision on if they're the right fit for this job.
There's a lot of smart guys that were great at the G5 level and bombed at the Power 5 level. It's not all about intelligence. Additionally, Napier hasn't even won a conference championship in the Sunbelt. How can we look at his resume and be confident that he's ready to coach in the SEC pressure cooker?
Aranda has one COVID year and one good year thus far. We're ready to give him a top 5 job based on two years of information? Coaching theory is great but results matter too, otherwise it's just a bunch of talk.
Process and results matter. Processes have to be tested to demonstrate their reliability. You can have a great process but do you communicate and teach your process well? Do you know how to identify staff that can teach your process? I don't know if we know those answers with Aranda or Napier. It's a lot more than just having a process.
This post was edited on 11/6/21 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 11/6/21 at 3:33 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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LSU hiring a HC with 2 or 3 years of experience from UL or Baylor would be a catastrophically underwhelming hire given the stature of this program over the past 20 years.
I guess Georgia, Oklahoma, and Ohio st made underwhelming hires the last 5 years because Aranda’s resume is better than any of their current coaches when hired and Napier’s is just as good as Riley’s and Day’s was and just below Smart’s
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:10 pm to Midtiger farm
Kirby was the DC of 3 NC winning teams at Alabama. That is the resume of a top-tier coaching candidate, so Aranda's not better than his at the time they both got their first HC jobs.
You have a case comparing Aranda to Riley and Ryan Day but those were internal hires. If Aranda were still on the staff here at LSU I'd have him as my #1 guy for the job.
You have a case comparing Aranda to Riley and Ryan Day but those were internal hires. If Aranda were still on the staff here at LSU I'd have him as my #1 guy for the job.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Gonna suck when we hire Jimbo and A&M grabs Aranda.
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:29 pm to Goldrush25
He was DC under one of the best defensive coaches in the game and for at least his first NC as DC he didn’t even have full control
Posted on 11/6/21 at 4:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
We are 84th in Scoring Defense and they are 30th
Posted on 11/6/21 at 5:02 pm to Midtiger farm
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He was DC under one of the best defensive coaches in the game and for at least his first NC as DC he didn’t even have full control
We can quibble about when exactly he took control of the defense, but with the way UGA is playing now, I think it's fair to say he had a lot of influence on those Bama teams and was certainly not just a figurehead DC for Saban or anything like that.
This post was edited on 11/6/21 at 5:04 pm
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